Rapha, nice but a bit pricey?

I've got some of the Gore Phantom convertible jackets. Nice idea, but a real faff to take the sleeves on and off with the fiddly zips.

Looks like David is indulging in a spot of "dad dancing" here

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Cost I guess.

@prevailrob although its kind of pointless discussing temperature ranges given that everyone feels the cold/heat differently...
Depending on baselayer the and armwarmers I can wear it from 12 degrees (in the rain), down to 2 degrees.

For most of jan/Feb this year I wore a long sleeved baselayer, thin craft armwarmers (or nanoflex if its wet), tights and a gabba. But I also wore it last week in Wales when it was 12 degrees and raining with no armwarmers and a summer mesh baselayer. That's the thing which makes it so good - its versatility.

The Thin White Cheat

What was the coldest we had last winter? That. But I do run warm.

Summer is over here.

I was in LS base, brevet jersey, and a cheapo packable jacket yesterday and still froze. I was very fatigued though.

When its a bit windy, bit wet, bit cold, and generaly shit. A pro tea jacket is a nice comforting item to chuck on.

I'd rather have a thick woolen jersey and Race cape though.

pro tea jacket

oh man. that sounds like totally the nice comforting item when it's generally shit outside. want.

@dan Thanks. I think that puts it into perspective for me.

I agree that temp is very relative, but if someone says something like "it's useless below 6c" I can pretty much gather that I'm not going to find it much useful at something like 2c. So all your responses help, cheers

Still undecided though :D

Gabba + nanoflex armwarmers master race.

Or Sportful Norain but yeah.

For 2-10° showers/mizzle/drizzle/rain at almost any effort with the right baselayer.

Really versatile but not the most comfortable (which is why a ls jersey, windpooof baselayer and gilet still get a lot of use).

^ baselayer will be Rapha so on topic :)

I'll add my voice to the the Gabba +1 too.

As has been said by others, my PTJ saw maybe 2 outings last winter, every other training ride was in the Gabba. It just takes the guessing out of dressing for the conditions as it's effective temp range covers every condition we face here for 75% of the year.

I even had mine out last weekend on a very wet, fast 80 miler. Buy it!

I have a SS Gabba with nano flex arm warmers and the Rapha PTJ, very different items, I guess most people are comparing against the LS(?) because I wore the PTJ nearly every day last winter. The SS Gabba wasn't enough below about 5 degrees C.

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..but I'm sure they started in a warmer temperature, are climbing and have a few hours of warm up in the legs.. at 6:30am on a dark dreary suburbian morning I CBA with starting cold and warming up on a 20 mile commute.. but yes, there is no right or wrong, some of them are in shorts ffs.

^ bet they couldn't do it on a cold, wet night in Stoke.

any one got a discount code please

And I thought I procrastinated a lot ;)
I take it you know Evans has Gabbas in stock that you can try on? Otherwise buy both - you know you want to...

I tend to forget we have an Evans in Norwich now :-)

Late to winter discussion party but gabba fits weird for me but as a product its close to PT shoftshell jacket rather than PTJ. PTJ is like mortirolo in castelli; quite warm.

PTJ for club rides (think coffee, cake, pint, talking about bike fit, tyre pressures etc) with PT mesh base layer if its not too cold, merino if cold, PT softshell if its post apocalyptic cold
PT soft shell jacket for solo winter suffering, same base layer logic
PT thermal bibs with nanoflex knee warmers if its cold

All of that can be had cheaper than castelli if you are XS and Kilver court.

Man it's expensive being average sized.. I want all the things after this winter chat!

PTJ is the dream. My favourite Rapha product.

Does "PTJ" mean jacket or Jersey?

Jacket.

I'm planning a drive out next week to the Outlet.
Can anyone guarantee(!) that there will be XXL classic black jerseys in stock (for £50 or less......)
;-)