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I am much more experienced/informed then you think,:) and in my previous post there's nothing rude no doubt.I'm just simply expressed my opinion, as I see it from my angle or a different approach to these U-Lock recommendations threads.
As for your two threads and its content, this is is certainly useful and good content, but it's far from ideal concepts of such threads.I have no intention to make my special Locks or U-Lock thread, but that does not mean that i will not write my opinion or criticism.After all the two of us we are not alone on this forum.There are other forum members, who can see what I wrote, and then bring some of their comments or conclusions.
Abus Granit Plus 640 is very good U-Lock(but little to expensive), and normally that he would be a very good U-Lock protection.If you do not understand and do not want to admit, that a lot of people just looking for or want such lite but good U-lock that's your problem.Abus engineers they must be crazy, good but quite lite U-lock, what else of course it's a good idea or product no doubt.
With regard to a hammering on some fairly inexpensive U-Lock, go and buy one OnGuard Bulldog, put it on your bike and lock it properly, and then start hammering.Later you share with us how it is passed, and the condition of your favorite bicycle.Identical procedure you can repeat with Abus Granit Plus 640, if you can record that video session upload that video on Youtube.
In reality only idiot-thieves(brain is sleep mode) hammer on a good U-Lock(reputable manufacturers), or use raw praybar power in an attempt to steal a bicycle.
Here is an good example of hammering and praybar use, this is classic idiot-thives action, in a failed attempt to steal a bicycle.Kryptonite Evolution 4 series U-Lock, or OnGuard Pitbull the same security level U-Lock.What are these U-locks do they work or not, because they practically do not exist in your two threads?;)
http://gizmodo.com/5922074/the-best-bike-lock
Dambek-
Well since you invite others to comment then I will. Please shut up.
These threads are a valuable resource, they are not about compromise of what gives the best weight to strength ratio or price per second of security. They are simply about security, what is the best security and what people should be looking at when security is the primary concern.
If people want lighter weight then they can read this thread about the features of a good lock (eg smallest inside diameter to prevent bottle jack attempts) and make their compromise decision based on this informed decision. If people want to maximise the chances that their bike will not be stolen then this thread and the secondary thread are where to look.
You've given your opinion and people can choose whether they agree with you or not. Now would be the time to stop giving it and let the thread continue talking about locks, uncompromising secure locks, heavy expensive lumps of metal that make a thief steal the bike next to yours rather than yours.
Ramsaye
I don't know who you are but I do know what you are, and thats impolite.
Please feel free to start your own security thread, on locks or on any other matter.
If you have not followed this thread as its evolved, then you may not be aware that there is a specific criteria set for the Locks That Work recommendations, and the Secondary Locks recommendations.
In the first case, the main locks from the Locks That Work thread needed to be 16mm thick, with the sole exception of the Abus Granit X-Plus which is of a square bar shape, so its 13mm side-on measurement is closer to 15mm diagonally through the bar.
Secondary Locks were given a minimum dimension of 13mm/14mm. This I considered to be enough to slow a thief down. In conjuction with a main lock, a thief would have to spend some time on one bike, and he would not want that type of time exposure. Though some secondary locks are of dimensions up to 16mm, but these are very small (u-shackle motorcycle disk locks), and therefore cannot be used as a main lock.
Its not as arbitrary as you'd thought. If so, official representatives from Pragmasis and Kryptonite would not come here and give individual advice. Xena has also come onto this thread, and used part of this thread on their own official website. This thread has pioneered whole new methods of bike security, and its been cited and copied all over the world into blogs and other websites and threads.
You have not been helpful; simply rude and deeply uninformed.