Can you help to identify these frames, bikes or parts?

Hi guys. Could anyone help me identify this frameset? Looks like it's built on Cinelli lugs. The dropouts are very distinctive and I think I've seen them before.
Any help will be appreciated.

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And the dropout (sorry, my phone won't let me upload 2 pics at once)

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It's likely a Prugnat lugset. The dent in the chain stay for chain line and the fork crown suggest a more budget frame. The weight will give it away. If it's over 2700Gr frame and fork likely budget Columbus or Reynolds plain gauge.

Cheap and cheerful but decent quality.

Any ideas on possible manufacturers of this curved early 90s lo pro frame. The only possible identifier is the amazing bottom bracket, it is all fillet brazed with gussets and the down tube extends through and below the shell. No sign of frame number anywhere, not even on fork steerer. I am assuming British built as has standard threading. Very tight rear clearance. First guess would be Thornhill ? I've only ever seen this aero type frame building flourish on italian frames. I know it is unlikely to find who made it but I thought I'd try here and then retro road forums.

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Mystery solved. It's a RIH.

Hi guys! Could anyone help me identify this frame?

I have some info in case it might help:

• Carbon fork: Trigon
  
• Brakes: Campagnolo Veloce
  
• Wheels: Miche XPress
  
• Crankset: Miche Xpress
  
• Single freewheel: Sturmey Archer
  
• Chainring: Gebhardt GTP
  
• Seat: Bombtrack
  
  

I'm interested in buying this bike but I'm a bit sceptic about the frame.
Thanks a lot, any help appreciated!

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Wondering what those vintage tt bars are with a longish reach, pics here

Help!

I know almost nothing about European bikes. Any info on this frame would be much appreciated... I'm thinking of getting it resprayed by mario vaz but it only really makes sense if i know what make it is.

Columbus Aelle tubing. Interesting brake bridge on the back, which i have failed to photograph adequately!

Recessed brake bolts.
braze on front mech.
Italian thread BB.

funny day-glo paint spray in blue green and pink...

I thought it might be french at first, but now i'm thinking italian?

cheers,
MAtt

The paint design is typically small artisan frame builder, concealed cables and the fork crown look pretty much bang on for French artisan. Unfortunately there are/were hundreds of em! Very difficult to find something similar but you could Google 'French frame' and trawl though the pictures until you find something similar. No panto on it, is there a design on the brake bridge?

If this was Italian there would most likely be panto somewhere...

Wouldn't it be unusual for a French builder to use an Italian BB?

^ This,
my guess is italian, maybe from a larger manufacturer -
(very) quick search for 90's Aelle frames with unicrown forks from bigger (non-pantographed) manufacturers chucked up this benotto

And here's a similarly chromed bianchi fork.

Not hugely helpful but hopefully a reasonable start.
Chroming on the fork's really nice though - good find

I did wonder if it might be Italian built for a Dutch or Belgian shop: it's decent enough, but firmly mid-range and anonymous.

Is that a serial number on the BB shell?

French builders are just unusual... Normally they'll build an Italian threaded BB and fork thread if using Columbus tubing, because even in stuck up French bourgeoisie cycling circles 'Italian' always means better.

My money is on France mainly became of the quite subtle fades, popular amongst artisan builders around the country even up until the late 90's - long after it had crashed and burned elsewhere. The fork crown is quite common, throughout Europe on Columbus budget builds.

The French clincher for me is the seat lug cluster is an Everest one, and probably the entire lugset. It'd a very popular lugset among frog artisans and hardly used anywhere else (expensive). A nice mid range frame, probably from the regions - Brittany or further south.

^ I'd wondered that - Concorde often have italian BB and one of my brothers has a VanTuyl that also has one.

That paint finish would never make it out of Italy alive!

Normally they'll build an Italian threaded BB and fork thread if using Columbus tubing...

Interesting, I didn't know that.

subtle fades, popular.... even up until the late 90's

That paint finish would never make it out of Italy alive!

Haha - very true.
What about the unicrown fork though - I tend to associate them with volume builders - how common were they amongst les artisans??

The fork crown on boydbikes frame makes use of a cast fork crown (with an aerodynamic profile). Absence of welds and smooth surface transitions are apparent.

They're hard to tell apart from a three feet away though :)

A lot of Concorde were Ciocc built, together with another Italian builder who's name escapes me.

I don't know if it pre-dates Eddie & Ernie, but from what I've seen a Benelux bike is just as likely to have an Italian BB as a British one.

Pesenti wasn't it?

That's not the name I was thinking of, but who knows how many places they sourced their frames?

Amazing! Thanks all so much...

I'm gonna spend the rest of the evening googling franch frames!

Good luck man! I worked a bike shop in Nantes for a year when I was a student/racing over there - must've been 30 small frame builders within 25km radius of town!

Yeah - still looking!...