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• #1202
Yes...
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• #1203
This comment (re a broader conversation), your user name and your avatar have cracked me the fuck up. I love you, whoever you are.
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• #1204
Re.
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• #1205
Thread shutdown.
That looks like it's from Cannes too, double whammy.
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• #1206
I'm the EMEA Cloud Evangelist and VP of Strategic Alignment
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• #1207
"I don't want to get into solutions mode" is rife on my current project.
Why the fuck not...?
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• #1208
Do you even Harvard Principled Negotiation?!?
You start with assessing the problem and creating a set of objective criteria before going into solutions mode. Jeez, get with it.
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• #1209
My previous boss used to say: "Hubble together, hubble together" prior to us all sitting down and talking our way through two hours of trying to solve long term problems that she actually didn't want to change.
I never had the heart to tell her what Hubble is.
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• #1210
It sounds like how Macbeth's witches would start their team buzz sessions.
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• #1211
every interviewee on the media is saying ... " that's a good question " currently
and every interviewer is saying " sorry to interrupt you, but ... "just get on with it you posturing prima donnas
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• #1212
I once wrote a sketch for a university sketch troupe about a talk show that never got anywhere because all the dialogue was just stuff like that.
SATIRE!
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• #1213
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• #1214
OK they base lined me!
Fuck, are you OK, shall I call the emergency services?
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• #1215
Journalists misusing the phrase 'begs the question'.
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• #1216
^ preach.
the stock response appears to be 'well, like language evolves, man!'
cool, from now on the phrase 'the die is cast' means to throw burning electric death out of your hands.
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• #1217
This post says that it's a stupid phrase whichever way you use it.
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2290
One usage is based on a double mistranslation, and the other on a misunderstanding. Either way it's weird and archaic.
As its literal meaning is so opaque in either usage, I'd argue that the most commonly understood meaning is the right one for the time being - i.e. invites the question.
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• #1218
cool, from now on the phrase 'the die is cast' means to throw burning electric death out of your hands.
It can mean that if people understand it to mean that, but they don't, so it doesn't.
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• #1219
its literal meaning is far from opaque, tho it's meaning has changed due to misuse and i suspect is generally used in this way to infer an air of verbose authority on the person misusing it. which is a bit fucking ironic seeing as it makes you sound anything but authoritative, it makes you sound like an ignorant berk.
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• #1220
you love that one...
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• #1221
i fucking do a bit.
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• #1222
its literal meaning is far from opaque
explain.
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• #1223
"I'm right because i'm super-smart"
begging the question.
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• #1224
made more annoying considering there are any number of alternatives to the word 'begs' that make the intended sentiment make MUCH MORE FUCKING SENSE!
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• #1225
What? How is assuming a conclusion (which is the 'correct' usage of the term) related to the literal meaning of begging a question? I have the answer to that, by the way, and I'd not call it a transparent connection. Here we go:
Why begging the question? Well, petitio (from peto) in this context means "assuming" or "postulating", but it has other (and older) meanings, from which the notion of logical postulate or assumption arose: "requesting, beseeching". So rather than use some fancy Latinate term like postulate or assume, people decided to use the plain English word beg[ging] as a sort of calque for the "requesting" sense of petitio. But even in the 16th century, I think, it was a bit odd to warn people against presupposing the end-point of their argument by telling them not to beg their conclusion.
And why begging the question? The OED's first glosses for question are "A point or topic to be investigated or discussed; a problem, or a matter forming the basis of a problem", and "A subject or proposal to be debated, decided, or voted on in a meeting or deliberative assembly". With these meanings, question more or less fits into Aristotle's warning — it's wrong to "assume the question", i.e. to make an argument that presupposes (our conclusion about) the proposal to be decided. But these days, the word question is much more likely to mean "A sentence worded or expressed so as to elicit information from a person; a query, an enquiry." And in this sense, warning someone not to assume the question either means something quite different (say, not to jump to conclusions about what is being asked), or else it makes no sense at all.
Can we please carpark some of these for later?