This morning's commute and other commuting stories

What's that line? "Can't stop, don't want to!"

"Nah guv, I was checkin' me texts weren't I? No time for makeup this mornin'"

you're proposing a situation where it's justified walking a bike across a junction because turning right is hazardous, I proposed that if you can't turn right across traffic riding around london might prove difficult.

wasn't aimed at you, but you're hypothetical situation and the hypothetical rider who would do that!

go and do that in mud, with proper obstacles to leap over...

Mud - check
Obstacles - check
Uxbridge Road - 'cross training ground selected. Training commenced.

There's two junctions where I frequently dismount and walk across to turn right.
A) it saves sitting in the middle of the road which is an unpleasant and hazardous place to be
B) because I can, not because I have to

Any suggestion that I find riding round London difficult can be shoved sideways where the sun don't shine.

Crossing a stop line at a red light whilst "propelling a vehicle" is the offence. Doesn't matter if you're considered a "foot passenger" thanks to Crank vs Brooks (the famous case you are probably thinking of), you're still "propelling a vehicle". Crossing a pedestrian crossing whilst pushing a bike isn't illegal because there's no wording in the law preventing people from "propelling a vehicle" across the road using the crossing.

Walking off the side of the road before the stop line and using a pedestrian crossing looks ok according to a vague reading of the law.

Who knows about other such fun as dismounting the bike, mounting the pavement, pushing a bike past the stop line and then rejoining the road before cycling off across a junction. Probably various careless/inconsiderate cycling offences the Police could play with there.

I'd never RLJ but

I'm not racist but...

Who knows about other such fun as dismounting the bike, mounting the pavement, pushing a bike past the stop line and then rejoining the road before cycling off across a junction. Probably various careless/inconsiderate cycling offences the Police could play with there.

This is my usual method (Although I don't remount until safely across the junction), pretty sure that once dismounted and walking on the pavement I am no longer cycling, I might be a careless and inconsiderate pedestrian/foot passenger but pretty sure that I cannot be charged with anything cycling related.

/pushes bike across all the RL's all day long.

Chortle

This is my usual method (Although I don't remount until safely across the junction), pretty sure that once dismounted and walking on the pavement I am no longer cycling, I might be a careless and inconsiderate pedestrian/foot passenger but pretty sure that I cannot be charged with anything cycling related.

Indeed, it depends on where you start cycling again, which is why I said that cycling across the junction could still be considered careless/inconsiderate depending on the state of the other traffic. Depends on the Police that you encounter on the day.

Crossing a stop line at a red light whilst "propelling a vehicle" is the offence. Doesn't matter if you're considered a "foot passenger" thanks to Crank vs Brooks (the famous case you are probably thinking of), you're still "propelling a vehicle".

Maybe. The short answer is that no-one knows whether pushing a bicycle counts as 'propelling a vehicle' because the issue's never been decided by the courts. I'd say it's perfectly arguable that walking while pushing a bicycle is not 'propelling a vehicle' since a bicycle is propelled by turning the pedals while straddling the bike, not walking alongside it. Indeed, I'd say that Crank v. Brooks is relevant in this context, as a pedestrian is not a person propelling a vehicle, but a person walking on foot, and the fact that they're wheeling a bicycle doesn't stop them from being a pedestrian, which was the dicta in Crank v. Brooks. But until (if ever) it goes to court and there's a binding precedent on the point, there's no actual answer just opinions. And opinions, as the old saying goes, are like arseholes.

Since it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement, then getting off and pushing it would be legal, no?

Are you lot still debating the dismount, walk, remount, cycle off into the sunset and whether that makes you legal/illegal/like a prick/like the Fonz?

Answer: None of the above. The correct etiquette at a red light is to trackstand like a boss, and let everyone eat your dust as soon as the light hits green.

Going on things learnt from within this forum.

An RLJ is illegal. Riding a bicycle on a pavement/footpath is illegal.
The forum has some that do a police watch/warning for police check points at key junctions, so don't RLJ at flagged points.

It has also come up that by getting off a bicycle and walking across the pavement to do a left turn under a red light will not get a ticket for RLJ as you have not ridden through a light and through a junction. This according to forum posts i have read is done with police watching and no tickets issued.

So left turn, stop, get off, wheel bicycle across pavement, rejoin road, remount bicycle, pedal away no offence.

Right turn, stop, get off, wheel bicycle across road and pavement as a ped would legally, then cross again, rejoin road, remount bicycle, pedal away no offence.

Time savings could be marginal/pointless.

Jump a light and risk T-boning a bus, a recent vid link in a thread on here somewhere.

And for your next trick could you resolve the helmet debate?

42 helmets.

Gets popcorn, waits for stories to roll in.

Best commute ever, EVER!!!

Like a stage of the TDF today, we had crashes, elbows, shouting and swearing. Scooters riders squaring up to each other. Cyclist throwing a punch at a scooter ride who cut him up. We had peds looking at maps on phones and just walking out. Seen a fight at a bus stop.

10/10 will enjoy the carnage again.

*Today the pavement is the new road but only for Ken/Boris Bikes and new shinny bike riders.

Damn, I must have come in too early.

I had more fellow cyclists than usual this morning, but they mostly seemed to know how to bicycle, maybe they were regular cyclists commuting earlier than usual to avoid the strike fallout.

Big up to the Audi guy shouting at me to "fucking move" because I was filtering up the middle of traffic, dipped in for him to pass and gave him all the space and more but he still felt the need to shout in my face.

I don't think he appreciated my retort of "stop being a wanker and enjoy your life".

rode a bike to school this morning. will ride one home later.

#bikelyf in full force this morning and so many near misses coming through bank.

Would mash and skid peds again tonight.