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Stats!
Dawes and Carrarrereara cranks are both 170mm. You was correct about BB tosaddle height on both bikes too Mr Suffolk... you've done this before haven't you!!!..., 69cms (27") from BB centre to upper surface of saddle. I'm guessing thats ok given my legs are 29" or so long.
However, due to ground-to-BB centre height difference on each bike Dawes = 25.5Cms and Carararrerea = 31.5cms this has pushed up the ground-to-saddle height on the Carrarerara to ~98cms (38 1/2") and the Dawes tops out at 94.5cms (37 1/4").
Out of interest I measured the centre of the handle bars to the centre of the saddle on both bikes and both measure 67cms.
Word of the week, "canard". Noted! Thank you :)