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I'm a bit of a traditionalist and prefer my saddle about 40mm higher than my bars
Aha! Now, y'see thats the bit that I just can't get on with, as soon as the Saddle goes above bar height I'm in The Realms of Pain it seems. Maybe I'm just not strong enough in the upper body department to support my own weight on longer (for me) ride? If the Saddle is just a smidgey bit below Bar height like you can see in the 2nd piccie I'm comfy. I do Yoga with my partner (not a euph, promise!) 2 to 3 times a week so I'm reasonably flexy for a 50 y/o fella but the more I look around at other peeps bike set up's the more I see Saddle above 'bars.
The other thing maybe is the bike is too big? It's an 18" frame but I'm shortish at 5ft 8", short legs too @ 29" so I'd have thought its more about my 'shape' than any fault with the bike?
I'm a bit of a traditionalist and prefer my saddle about 40mm higher than my bars, but I totally agree, it's amazing what even a few mm adjustment willdo for comfort.