• Yep this is true. If you took those twenty cyclist and put them in cars, ahead of the car in question then they would have to wait a few light changes as the snake of cars inches forward.

    "Oh but, the bikes keep getting to the front of the queue". Yes they do. And on fast A-roads the cars keep overtaking the bikes.

    Appropriate vehicle for the environment = winning.

  • If you took those twenty cyclist and put them in cars, ahead of the car in question then they would have to wait a few light changes as the snake of cars inches forward.

    "Oh but, the bikes keep getting to the front of the queue". Yes they do. And on fast A-roads the cars keep overtaking the bikes.

    Appropriate vehicle for the environment = winning.

    Again, slightly myopic. If the "environment" always comprises a 10 mile commute, maybe. But what if the journey is 50 miles, or involves carrying a full set of power tools, or an elderly or infirm passenger.

    I wouldn't want the cyclists' usually legitimate moral high ground in this argument to be lost for the sake of some unnecessary straw man fallacies.

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