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But still, 35K for anyone is pretty high, are they going to cook people that earn minimum wage?

It's amazingly high, I honestly can't imaging what anyone do with that much money.

that's for 'plan 1'. post 2012 are 'plan 2'

I think some of the bikes in the anti thread answer that question... :p

But yeah 35K that's very comfy, as in, save all the moniez and still be able to have a car, some holidays, pension, give loads to charity...

Pay for some politicians to permanently cruise around the world with no access to phone, email, internet.. ;)

Hookers & blow, mostly.

Angry dwarf stuck sucker dart on forehead, filled mouth with dominoes before shouting: "Exterminate, exterminate":

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/JAILED-Notorious-offender-brandished-knife-bus/story-26739016-detail/story.html

He's not happy.

It's not that much when you have kids... It's probably the point at which you don't really need financial support in London raising kids...

(At the 35k comment above not the dwarves height)

That's exactly what they want, more money flooding from the public sector into the private sector... It's their mantra, screw the taxpayer at every opportunity and tell them you're actually saving them money... People are stupid...

Message from a helpful rich person

"Hello poor people.
You will become better off
by becoming poorer.
This will also involve me
becoming richer.
The people who will
make you poorer
are people who are poor
or different.
Good people are very rich.
We give you your job.
We do this because we are kind.
It also makes us very rich
but that's just a side effect
you don't need to think about."

http://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.ch/2015/06/message-from-helpful-rich-person.html

£35k is certainly livable, even in London although I think you'd struggle to get out of rented accommodation

certainly livable? I was living on 16k for a couple of years. No chance of any savings but I survived.

although I think you'd struggle to get out of rented accommodation.

Some people are quite happy staying with rented accommodation.

Until you get priced out of the area you're living in... #tilmf

If you're struggling to live on £35k in London with no dependents, you're doing something wrong...

You were priced out to Australia?

He got sent to Australia with the rest of the convicts.

It was a deal - he left, they didn't go to the newspapers.

This bollocks with the immigration rules is crazy. To anyone with a brain both the problem and the solution are obvious. We pay immigrants lots of benefits and we jail them if they try to work. Perhaps we might not have to do the first if we stopped doing the second. Nobody who travels thousands of miles to start a new life wants to sit on their arse claiming dole (apart from TS obvs). They want to work, so why don't we just let them?
I'm sure there are benefits changes we can legally make too. Like not giving child benefit unless your children also reside in the UK. (Or abolishing it altogether because children are horrid)

Nursing now being a degree level thing is a real problem too. It used to be something people went into straight from school and were trained on the job. It cost the country a lot less to have fully trained nurses by 17 or 18 rather than 21 and nobody was saddled with masses of debts. There was no real reason for the shift either. It was a political thing.

Lots of benefits? EU immigrants don't get housing benefits anymore in Northern Ireland.

If you are non EU you don't get other benefits either.

Skill shortages/people falling in love...you'll always get ppl moving. But to set "good immigrant" at 35K makes it near impossible.

Details details :-)
I'm just pointing out the absurdity of criminalising gainful employment. If it was me in charge everyone who wanted to come here would get an NI number and a work permit the minute they arrived.
But yeah, this 35k thing is bullshit. Especially as a huge amount of the economic benefit the country gets from immigration is that it keeps low wages low. Obviously it's no direct benefit to those on the low wages but that's the larger (and intended) effect of letting people migrate here.

It's not only the NHS, though that's always a good headline-grabber. Without all these <35k immigrants who is going to be making all the food? Pretty much the entire British food economy from farm to factory to shop/cafe/restaurant is almost entirely dependent on low wage immigrant labour. Perhaps when Cameron has nobody to make his sandwiches and coffee he might realise what a dick move this is.

I believe the current Tory-think is that when you remove the large swathes of low-paid immigrants that used to do those kinds of jobs you'll get the vast swathes of locals on benefits off benefits doing them instead.

Yeah, those workshy fucks with "disabilities" can step in for a start. Stoating about, pretending to be in comas, just to get out of 12 hour split shifts in factories etc. Broken Britain.

I spent a summer in a factory making airbag sensors when I was a student. For most of us on the line, I expect being comatose was somewhat similar.

But does that really work this idea of unemployed will work?

If a job doesn't pay a living wage (and minimum wage isn't enough to live on, but too much to die on) you still end up subsidizing via social housing, or end up with immigrants bunged together 12 in a 4 people house. Their kids go to school, get a better job and a new cycle of immigrant cheap labor begins.

Perhaps our food is too cheap or perhaps universal wage, mad as it sounds, may be a better bet.

Yeah, those workshy fucks with "disabilities" can step in for a start. Stoating about, pretending to be in comas, just to get out of 12 hour split shifts in factories etc. Broken Britain.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/22/man-who-cannot-walk-or-talk-called-for-jobcentre-interview

Just an absolutely shocking example of discrimination.