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You lot are next with this crap, fucking crazy business... Tony and Joe will hopefully get their comeuppance in the cash for traffickers scandal... Tho that's gone a bit quiet of late... #mediablackout

And it's 'Straya'... Kthxbai...

Stupid forum...

Stupid bloody elderly immigrant more like...

It's "immo"

Lolz... I miss you guys! #not

did they offer lori $5000?

Lolz... I miss you guys! #not

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My turn to be two-hatted... Day off tomorrow, going out in the Valley with my deviant mate/landlord for a teenslain's day off... If only we had a Tony out here...

"Under the new rules, non-EU workers who are earning less than £35,000 after six years in the UK will be deported"

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/22/new-immigration-rules-cost-nhs-millions-nursing?CMP=share_btn_fb

Cos most people in the UK earn well over 35K, surely

myopic, dogwhistle fuckwittery that will cause more problems than it pretends to solve. or maybe that's the plan. make the NHS unworkable so that sweaty pie-faced cunt can sell it off to his school chums.

any tory voters care to defend this latest wheeze? after all, you voted for them, surely you must be pro having to clean our your own bedpan, or are you all on private healthcare so why should you give a fuck?

Not a Tory voter but that article states “Thirty-seven-thousand potential nursing students were turned away last year, so there are people out there who want to embark on a nursing career.” so it's not like ther isn't the potential workforce, just the willingness to spend and train them that's the problem.

It's a puzzler this one, I guess it'll end up having the same impact as the low pay for ambulance drivers thing - lack of ambulance drivers means agency staff, who cost many times what directly employed staff would, therefore the low pay leads to a massive overspend in order to continue to provide the service.

However, not sure where we'll get the qualified agency staff from if we've just sent them all to "elsewhere", maybe the companies who provide agency staff will fly staff in from India for the contract period, said contract to run for one day less than the maximum stay allotted to sub-35K staff, that way some Tory donor can make loads of cash in agency fees, and handily never has to deal with the niceties of UK employment law.

Which country did that 37,000 come from?

As it was the chief exec of the RCN talking about this issue and how the country can meet the need for more nurses I would expect it to be UK or at leat those that can work here regardless of this new visa rule.

just the willingness to spend and train them that's the problem.

^ this is indeed, the problem.

So of the total number of nursing applicants last year, there was a shortfall of available places of 37,000 against the total number of applicants?

Strikes me that we'd have heard about such a large number of people applying for a nursing course and being turned down.

Or have all the uk trained nurses fucked off to Dubai?

Just add nursing to the short skills list and exempt them from the income requirement to maintain their work visa.

From the stats I heard today the applicant/training contract for would be nurses was around 3/1 which is not a massive number compared to some sectors. Still, we need to train more people and try harder to keep the trained ones from emigrating to 'straya with TS.

If anyone's gonna need 24 hr nursing it's TS.

They changed nursing to a uni degree, perhaps that didn't help the issue with places as unis are also stretched.

But still, 35K for anyone is pretty high, are they going to cook people that earn minimum wage?

If nursing is a Uni course I wonder what sort of debt load a newly qualified nurse would have?

A quick Google shows that an RN earns, on average, £23k and change - student loans threshold is £17,335, so you'd be paying back your £40k from the off.

You'd have to be really committed to the concept of nursing to invest 40 large in it as a career path, I reckon.

Not much, because nursing, physiotherapy and such are entitled to NHS bursaries for tuition fees.

repayment threshold is £21k for courses starting after 2012.
sure a lot of graduates wouldn't mind a £23k salary either

In NI the median wage is 20K overall, 35K jobs are pretty rare. Are they going to send back all the people from India in IT as most won't get 35K?

Or force everyone to cough up 2-3K for citizenship which takes about 2 years to go through? And is an issue if you can't hold dual nationality?

And you don't get some benefits if you're from outside the EU either. Fuck sake, why bother with education eh?

Says £17,335 here?

http://www.studentloanrepayment.co.uk/portal/page?_pageid=93,3866911&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL

That £23k is the average salary - not a graduate salary, that'd be a lot lower presumably.