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iltmimi
Can't tell if you were dissing the DeRosa but I recently bought a R838 and I absolutely love it. But I bought it from my LBS with a discount and upgraded wheels for less than the RRP so it was a win win for me, I got to support my good friend and local shop and I love the brand as a whole. Though I would heartily agree that on a budget Canyon (Or the DeRibble) is the absolute best choice.