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  • The frameset alone on top tier wow factor bikes is more than the amount you quoted. Canyon are not sexy but they are German and amey is right, it's the best way to get a good carbon bike with a premium groupset for the money you mentioned.

    The De Rosa R838 is probably perfect for you. It says 'De Rosa' on it, but since it's made in a mould in a Taiwanese factory it is in budget. It's exactly the same frame as the Ribble Stealth, made from the same mould, but you won't mind paying the extra few hundred quid for that 'top tier' name. You can have 105 for £1800, or Ultegra for £2299, or wait for the sales.

  • Can't tell if you were dissing the DeRosa but I recently bought a R838 and I absolutely love it. But I bought it from my LBS with a discount and upgraded wheels for less than the RRP so it was a win win for me, I got to support my good friend and local shop and I love the brand as a whole. Though I would heartily agree that on a budget Canyon (Or the DeRibble) is the absolute best choice.

  • Can't tell if you were dissing the DeRosa

    No, just the premise that it is in a different category to the Canyon. Good bike yes, top tier no.

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