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  • I think what Ed and DJ and people are trying to explain is that you just might not be ready for a custom frame yet. Yes, you may well have the money, and you might have an idea of what you want in your mind, but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to go fully custom.

    A custom bike of any kind requires a serious investment of time, money, and knowledge. Just have a look at the numerous Current Projects threads on here, and you will see the huge effort involved from the customer and the builder. Just because you have an idea of what you want right now, doesn't mean that will be the same in the months (possibly years) you will have to wait to finally receive the frame. If you are not 100% sure on every single aspect of what would make the perfect bicycle for your fit and your planned usage, and every single aspect of your chosen materials and your specific design, then getting a custom frame might be a costly mistake.

    Without sounding too mean, simply asking your original question about getting a stem shorter than 60mm suggests you don't know enough about bike geometry/ergonomics to get the most out of a bike built from scratch. There are many, many OTP bikes out there that cover all bases of cycling, and you might be surprised to find that exactly what you are looking for already exists.

    Of course, if you are absolutely certain on every little detail of your dream frame, then by all means go for it - it will be a fine investment that should bring you a lifetime of cycling joy. But if not, then it might be worth taking another route for now and coming back to the custom idea once you've gained a bit more knowledge. Hope that helps.

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