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I love Miche track hubs... they are so awesome for the money!

Well, they would be if you couldn't get the superior Novatec ones for less :-)

Does anyone have any spokes and nipples for Shimano RS10 s, looking for 2 or ideally 3 to service a damaged wheel?

Why are the novatec hubs superior then. Bracing angles on some models are lower.

bearings i believe
and a decent alloy for the hub body

Rubbish. The bearings in novatec hubs are not better than those found in miche hubs. In fact the ezo bearings used in some novatec hubs dont seem epecially special at all. I struggle to find a difference in life between these and the supposidly lower spec nbk bearings. Oh wait they are both the same grade bearing thats why. What is wrong with the alloy used in miche hubs? So long as the flanges dont crack the alloy is good, the alloy used in novatec hubs polishes up better, is that better or is that asthetics. I think we have run into the problem of defining better. Better seems to mean more reliable from your reply but i have never found any novatec hub being more reliable than a miche in some cases it the reverse.

I have nothing against novatec hubs i have something against this idea of better being vauge, simply saying they are superior without explain specifially what that means irrates me on a day inhave been irrated by other things Sorry to rant its been a bad day and this thread got it.

Why are the novatec hubs superior then

Mostly because people seem to keep breaking Miche locknuts, probably stress corrosion cracking </racist>, and Novatec use a normal lock ring thread so you have more options for spares, rather than just Miche/Campag/Phil, and Miche track nuts are 14mm so they don't fit anybody's Peanut Butter wrench, and the bearing inner race seats on the Novatec axles are actually part of the axle rather than being separate 'cones'. But apart from that, yeah, the more expensive hubs from a generalist cycle manufacturer are definitely as good as the cheaper ones from the world's leading hub specialist :-)

Miche nuts are 15mm. I've got a feeling they have a different threading to Dura-Ace/Everyone-not-italian though?

Miche nuts are 15mm

Obviously changed since I had some. Axle threads are 1mm pitch like Asian hubs, which makes you wonder why they went with Italian lock ring threads.

Ill have to check that but i thjnk miche hubs use normal threading. It is campagnolo hubs that have 10x 26tpi threading i.e not normal.

seriously over weight

FWIW, DT Spline R24 wheels claimed weights vs. my scales, no skewers or tape:
F 760/777
R 965/1002
so 3% over for the pair.

Spokes are not as described in the catalogue either, DS rear are close enough to New Aero as described (I make them 3.2×1.05 vs. 3.3×1.1 for New aero), but everything else is 3.0×0.9, not the 2.3×1.2 you'd expect from the description "AeroComp". As far as I'm concerned, that's a win.

10x 26tpi threading i.e not normal

There's definitely nothing normal about that.
⅜"×26TPI is normal.
M10×1.0 is normal.
Campag using a metric OD and an Imperial thread is just weird.

The wheels are on target weight then just not the rims. I have no problem with rims weighing 485g if they are advertised as such.

wheels are on target weight then just not the rims

Different rims. Would be interesting to see how close the R23 wheels (which seem to use the R460 rim) are to their advertised weight.

Miche nuts are 15mm

My Primato rear hub has 14mm nuts.

It's not a new thing that manufacturers lie about the weights of their products. The term 'claimed weight' only exists because of it. Otherwise they'd just be weights.

It's not a new thing that manufacturers lie about the weights of their products.

No, but it's usually just the Italians. You'd expect the Swiss to be able to weigh accurately, otherwise how would they know how much Nazi-stolen gold they were putting in their vaults?

Gravitational constant is lower in certain parts italy, its an anomoly no physist has been able to explain.

Being Italian, maybe I can elucidate: if you roam an Italian forum you will realise how much obsession there is for components weight... down to the single gram sometimes... a 7.5 Kg bike is considered "a stone"... it is no surprise that in a similar scenario manufacturers lie a bit on the weight they claim. As a matter of fact most of the industry does that to an extent and if they do that with weight, you can be sure they do the same with aero claims, which are obviously more difficult to disprove. In essence, it is an industry that survives on false claims, a bit like health products, nutrition, skin products... in fact the list is endless

if you roam an Italian cycling forum you will realise how much obsession there is for components weight... down to the single gram sometimes

ftfy

It's worse in Italy... round here it's the + or - 100 grams... down there the 100 grams are a massive quantity that can be broken down into 100 small increments (or better decrements) that can be saved from each individual components. I once published an April fool article where I said that Campagnolo were testing their own disc brake fluid, much lighter than conventional DOT 3... a guy sent me an email asking where he could get some... :-D

I bought some Fulcrum Wind 50 XLR wheels a while back which turned out to weigh 280g more than Fulcrum/Camagnolo claimed they should. They went back to Mr. Wiggle ASAP. I've concluded that Italian grams are quite a lot heavier than normal grams.

It's pretty well established on the weight weenie forum that Italian scales under-read by a minimum of 10%. SRAM claimed weights have always been spot on in my experience, so metrology is obviously a more exact science in Taiwan.

Ow fonts of wisdom: Are there any cheap 28h track hubs? (novatec etc...it's for a winter build)

I found a very good cheap & light pair of rims, but these are 28h drilling...Google and E-bay don't give me much hope, don't feel like dishing out for Phils or DAs.

Are there any cheap 28h track hubs? (novatec

You've answered your own question there. Bdop have 28H Novatec in both colours, about £95 a pair if you get stung for import taxes. Miche are available in 28H too, any LBS with a Chicken account should be able to get you a pair for £72.99

Tx, turns out a German shop may have them too according to a 3 year old thread here.

CRC my local shop alas sells barely any track parts :/