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@Pete4Eyes @TM Cool, well I'll stick with 10sp cos cheap is also good.
Looking forward to trying Shimano mind. When the Rival stuff was set up nicely, the shifting feelss nice and crisp and quite light. BUT, getting it set up can be a pain sometimes - seems to take a lot of very fine cable tension adjustment to eliminate any rubbing, mostly on the front mech at either end of the cassette. In the appropriate chainring of course!