The 20mph campaign/s and arguments...

I know. Hackney Police are aiming to do something similar. I don't think it's started yet. I didn't mean to get into too much detail--the small progress is, of course, that a few police forces have given up their long-standing resistance to enforcing 20mph limits, but it is still a very, very long way to go ...

I haven't seen any suggestion that the Met might change their current policy, which is that 20mph limits are none of their concern.

See above. Some borough forces have. How far it'll go is anyone's guess, but we'll see.

One of the guys I follow on youtube posted this a few days ago and I know it's just 1 officer speaking about 1 borough but having just 1 guy who can use equipment and then even when he can he can't enforce 20mph on a driver doing 30mph as it's the wrong equipment anyway just isn't good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSgcn5U1LtU

I think speed enforcement is only one element of the matter.

It is, traffic are barely enforceable right now, especially with the police cut.

Touché...

(...although speeds I have been overtaken must have been fast)

i am a bit out of touch on enforcement so if someone could inform me ?

if a driver is caught speeding on a speed camera is that a police matter or a camera body (dft ?) matter ?

who issues the ticket ?

whose responsibly is it to collect the fine ?

whose responsibility to pursue the matter if the ticket is not paid ?

who deals with the matter if there is an appeal ?

for that matter who owns / controls the cameras ?

don't worry though too much. if you don't have time. i am sure i can research the matter myself.

anyway i still prefer the concept of integration (20 mph on all roads in built up areas) to the concept of segregation (cycle lanes).

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/one-in-three-londoners-to-live-on-streets-with-20mph-limits-by-summer-10115181.html

^ thanks for posting this. yes hopefully one day soon we will get safer (and quieter) communities for all.

I've noticed some conflicting signs around hackney - heading west along homerton high st there were 30 and 20 signs (and road markings) for a while. Plus the speed camera down there definitely hasn't been reconfigured for 20!

Homerton High Street is on the Transport for London Road Network (i.e., not under Hackney control) as far as the Kenworthy Road junction, and as far as I know there are no plans to make it 20mph. Marsh Hill and Homerton Road will be 20mph, as Hackney's the highway authority there.

Oh you're right, I had no idea the road names changed there! It's Marsh hill where the conflicting signs/markings were and homerton road where the speed camera is.

@ Oliver Schick.

Maybe LCC should get on the 20 mph bandwagon ?

Are you looking at the 20mph zone markings at the entrances to the side streets (and corresponding 30mph warning signs when exiting said streets)? These should be removed soon when the new scheme is implemented, as there won't be a difference between the main streets (except TLRN) and the side streets any more.

Er? We've campaigned for 20mph since at least 1999, possibly earlier, but I wasn't involved before then. It was in our manifesto for the 2000 Mayoral elections and caused quite a stir at the time.

What Oliver said. Very good news.

http://lcc.org.uk/articles/transport-for-london-to-trial-20mph-on-main-roads

hi oliver,

thanks for the reply. that is what i thought you would say.

but i am concerned that LCC emphasis for the last 5 years or so has not been 20 mph. it has been cycle lanes and segregation - for example the 'go dutch' strap line.

i think LCC now has a good opportunity to join with other organisations to restate its support for 20 mph in all built up areas.

for example hopefully LCC will be helping the dft with their 3 year research project (see above).

Are you signed up to LCC's weekly enewsletter? Might be worth doing if not, it gives a good idea of the breadth of campaigning activity - though of course because so much happens at a local level it doesn't come close to covering everything. Should give a flavour though.

hi tricity (rosie ? if i remember right ?)

we have met at E9 easts and other lfgss events.

no i don't get lcc weekly newsletter.

i became disillusioned with lcc over the segregation / integration issue (and others) and so i did not renew my membership.

i do occasionally check the website and 20 mph always seems low on the priority list.

i don't mind renewing my lcc membership but maybe when it focusses more on 20 mph campaigning.

and less on cycle lanes = segregation = imo a daft objective.

and less on just upping membership numbers.

ctc and british cycling campaign strategy position seems to me to be broader in approach so i retain my membership there.

when i have time i do campaign on behalf of ctc.

and yes hopefully tower hamlets is to go 20 mph. (please god please :-)).

lets hope so anyway.

my utterances are meant to be constructive and i wish all community safety campaigners all the best.

Hi Phil! Yes well remembered. I started working for LCC a few months ago. You're quite right that the website doesn't do a good job of communicating the breadth of what LCC campaigns on. In case of interest here's the latest enews, it has a link to a bit more info on Tower Hamlets' 20mph limit from the local LCC group.

Hi Rosie et al,

Yes I heard you were working for LCC. Congratulations. I am sure you will make it a success.

And today I have had the best news ever.

In East End Life (the Tower Hamlets Council free paper) it is reported that all Tower Hamlets roads are to go 20 mph. (TFL roads remain as they are).

This is absolutely fantastic news.

Well done to all those involved in road safety campaigning. You are modern day heroes and heroines.

Absolutely brilliant. I am over the moon.

Glad you like it, Phil. :)

Here's the link to the on-line edition:

http://ebook-tm.s3.amazonaws.com/East_End_Life_23Mar2015/index.html

From an Inner London campaigner's perspective, 20mph is a 'won' policy, but of course efforts have to continue elsewhere. And there are still a few Inner London boroughs to follow suit. No time for complacency with TfL, because we want their 20mph trial to be successful and for it to be extended throughout the TLRN, although, again, first probably in Inner London.

^ Noted.

Thanks for the update. Good news.

i rode my bike along Commercial Street yesterday.

new 20 mph markings have been painted on the road surface.

traffic was slower. noise levels were reduced. atmosphere less tense. environment improved. and i anticipate that as time goes by as drivers adapt further environmental gains will accrue.

lets hope 20 mph speed limits gets applied to more and more roads.

nice one.

20 mph signs have gone up on West Ferry Road.

it is already making a difference.

motor powered vehicles travelling slower, noise levels down and road feels and looks safer.

fantastic results.

20 mph paintwork has gone down the roads.

speed cameras flashing again. they have not been flashing for ten or so years.

it is making a difference.

motor powered vehicles travelling slower, noise levels down and road feels and looks safer.

children cycling.

novice cyclists out and about.

fantastic results.

absolutely brilliant.