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Funnily enough (admittedly not laugh out loud funny) I moved from tabata to 40/20. Much more civilised.

If your idea of racing is pootling around then perhaps TTing isn't for you. :P

How did you calculate your FTP from your 10? If you're taking estimates of estimates to get a power to ride at then I'd still be more inclined to ride it on feel and by feel I mean it should feel bad but not so bad you won't finish the 50. Every mile, ask yourself if you can ride harder or if riding harder is going to cause you to die a death before the finish.

haha, perhaps, but I'm really only using TTs a practice/training for Triathlons, I'm just a bit more interested this year as I seem to be more middle of the pack whereas in previous years I've been very much towards the back.

I took the avg power from the 10 and took 95% of that to be my FTP.

I'm riding off numbers that are "generally accepted wisdom" as it seems like a shortcut to doing 2/3 races where I get it completely wrong, and at least limiting it to only a bit wrong, before I have a target myself, and I like using numbers for training and races, if you think that's wrong - sue me, but at the end of the day its about enjoyment as far as I'm concerned.

I pulled back after the first lap on Sunday as I was higher than my target and I was beginning to get slight twinges in my quads, so there is an element of listening to my body, but now I know for next time what the baseline is that I can definitely achieve, and will set myself a new target for the race, which will as you suggest, mean that I ride harder, but it'll still be based around a target power :p

Proper sweetspot training requires 20+ min intervals. Which you do at sweetspot instead of supra threshold to allow you to manage a few of them. Say 3 x 20mins, With 5 min recovery breaks, and 10 mins for both warm up and warm Down. So it ends up being 1 1/2 hours. At
least.

Can you link any study to back this up?

I do shit loads of sweetspot climbing. Although not really by design. Its made me very fit while not moving my FTP a single W.

May be you weren't doing them properly?

Doing 'shit loads of sweetspot' shouldn't be the goal.

its about enjoyment as far as I'm concerned

Definitely doing it wrong.

drags out deckchair and full esky

Sweetspot training means doing 2+ hours at sweetspot, nothing else. No intervals, no recovery (Or rather, 2-4 hour intervals, >12 hrs recovery between)

I've had enough of your unhelpful shit for one day.

you fancy the Reading CC 50 on the 31st BTW, or does it not fit with your old mans sporting plans for the year?

tabata until you fall down.

Do elaborate

Hey, you asked. If you don't like the answers >>>

As for old man sporting plans, I'm training for the Newbury 12hr (still part of BBAR just like these epic 50s I seem to have wound you up about so much, poor dear) so it'd likely too short for me unless I incorporated it into a longer training ride.

Is it an open or club event?

No, I've hit my 'offended triathlete quota' for the day.

Talking of BBAR how come the men's one involves an event which requires something the proper hard-core in the 12hr event and the women's is the much more interesting and achievable 25,50 and 100 combo...

Do people like Topps do more than one 12 a year or is it a one time thing, make or break for winning he competition each year...

Not sure. Historically I guess women's events were always shorter. They still often are, although personally I think there's no reason the women shouldn't be in the same distances. I'd maybe have a Short BAR, BAR and Ultra BAR instead of men's and women's but it's not my call. I'm sure there's women out there that would spank all but the fastest of the men's BAR riders.

I know Topps enters more than one 12 per year but I'm not sure he's finished more than one in a year (he DNF'd the National a few years ago when I rode it after having already done a 306 on the Breckland course). I'm sure if he had a particularly shit Newbury 12 he'd likely enter the National later in the year in order to make sure he locked in another BBAR win.

Lapsed triathlete, thank you very much.

Tabata intervals, tho.

8 intervals of 20 on (@ 170% VO2 max power), 10 off

• How many sets, and what formula are people using to calculate VO2 max power?
  
  

Teh MATHS gives a formula of 1.7*ftp + weight in kg / 2.2 for 170% of v02 max power

He doesn't plan to ride more than 1 12 hour a year any more. The competition is weighted towards the 50 so think he prefers to avoid the huge impact of racing a 12 more than once a year in favour of trying to get a faster 50

Makes sense. That's why I don't really bother with the BBAR because your 50 needs to be shit hot and training for/racing enough of those would harm the longer stuff I can be winning.

What does that even mean?

Well that chart shows what I mean by 20+ for sweetspot. I seem to remember it being a way of substituting threshold intervals With ones you can far better recover from. While having nearly as good effect. Which is probably where I got the 20min figure from.

I do poor sweetspot training because I tend to do hill repeats thus.

1 x SMASH IT INTO THE GROUND STRAVA IS WATCHING!
lots x sweetspot = Should be higher. But I'm empty.
1 x tempo = I'm climbing at tempo, I'm offically finished, I'm going home.

Its not ideal. But its fun. And its not like anybodys paying me to be disaplined.

TLDR - I blame strava.

TW.

Definitely consider 40/20. Less stress on the old body, and With better gains I reckon.

Plus. Dont take training advice from anyone that is mental enough to sit on a turbo for 10 hours.

the huge impact of racing a 12

What sort of TSS/average HR/other measure of effort/intensity would a 12hr TT represent? Reason I ask is to get an idea of this compared to 12hr MTB race.

#fuckloads

metric or imperial fuckloads?

Depends which country you're racing in.