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wqvm in reply to @rive_gauche

thanks for reply. just tried that but bugger does not even move for a bit.

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rive_gauche in reply to @wqvm

put some effort into it then!

and remember, if you put the wrong cup in the wrong way, you might still be trying to tighten, not loosen - think about it before giving the hammer!

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wqvm in reply to @rive_gauche

i am on cigarettes and beer, so not really fit.

you are right, it could be either way.

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