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Not interested in any Superstar product

Superstar's only 'product' is their wheel building, everything else is just their selection of pre-existing product from various Taiwanese factories. That's no different from a lot of other brands, but their pricing on Kinlin rims is reasonable.

They could even be better, but it's personal...

I know... old stories I won't go into... just not interested

Ok that's understandable.

@Skülly so the difference between the Zenith and Zenith Endurance is the quality of bearings, he says they are still reliable and still popular particular with those of the Campy persuasion. He said personally he still rated 105's over them bu that customers need to be more careful when using degreasant washs etc as there prone the grease being stripped as well

If a calculator advised 296mm spokes, 295mm would be fine?

Yep. Provided you put the right numbers into the calculator in the first place.

Why is Rose bikes & Bike24 showing different spoke length numbers on Competitions - Rose going 251 253 255, bike24 going 252 254 256?
http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;navigation=1;product=15716;page=1;menu=1000,4,301;mid=0;pgc=16714:16724
http://www.rosebikes.com/article/dt-swiss-competition---spoke/aid:47186

Except the stuff that's explicitly listed as "UK made", e.g bashguards.

Sapim i am sure make spokes in mm increments but chickens dont buy there spokes that way. You can generally get 2mm increments to work. With sapim black spokes you have no choice.

Aye

Noticed a lot of their prices creeping up to other names territory too, good or bad aside, their kevlar disc pads 4 for £20 always go down well, really rate them for average MTBing (as most of the time you don't have enough heat in your brakes to warranty sintered material) and for polo.

If there's anybody to whom this thread should be dedicated, it's Jobst. RIP
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/05/news/cycling-innovator-and-author-jobst-brandt-dies-at-80_369134

Sad news. The Ray Hosler memoriam is a nice read.

So, spoke head punchs? i hear that the 17quid DT Swiss one is not worth the money primarily because it long enough anyway. It was suggested and seen on other websites but not found good instructions how to take an ordinary centre punch which is possible to get in a decent length and just needs to be hardened. By heating up under a torch and then quenching in oil, has anybody done something like this? What sort of torch would be necessary and how do you know when it's hot enough?

RIP Jobst

What is recomended for spoke lube with DT Comps and brass nipples? In the past I have used wet chain lube but found this causes the spokes to lose tension in the long term (1 year+). Would like to try boiled linseed oil but seen some say that with brass nipples no lube is needed. Any help?

Has anyone got a link to an online spoke length calculator?

http://www.prowheelbuilder.com/spokelengthcalculator

https://leonard.io/edd/

Both work well enough. Double check across a couple of google-able calculators, as well as other people's builds that might be the exact same as yours.

Linseed oil is brilliant as a spoke freeze, it's easy to work with, a natural product, sets the spoke just enough to not go loose and it's dirt cheap. I would go for the non boiled one if I had the choice

Thanks.

Jobst Brandt memorial ride anyone?

Wheelwright St, London N7 8UB, UK
Turnmill Street, London
Hub Le Bas, Nobel Road, London
Philip Lane, London
ending with lunch at The Spoke, Holloway road?

disc specific rims for a commuter? Was considering Pacenti CL25 on offer at planet x for 29.99. Anything else I should consider?

Was there something about difficulties with tire mount on the CL25?

3n1 oil is my lube of choice for spokes. If spoke loose tension it is because the tension i not high enough or the spokes have been bedded into the hjb or the niplples into the rim which you do by squeezing pairs of spokes. This may also stretch them a bit permenantly. So in short if you are finding your spokes are loosing tension your spoke stressing is not good enough or you have insuffient tension. Possibly both.

hmm, @edscoble Were you a fan of the CL25s?

I'm also on the look out for a rear disc hub which will take a 11 speed cassette. Thinking about using a shutter precision dynamo up front.

Novatec hub perhaps or a DT Swiss 350 will both take 11 speed. I have never seen the attraction of SP hubs they seem very draggy (notchy infact as the magnets rotate) over the shimano version.
SON hubs I think are worth the extra money.