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Maybe my logic is faulty on washer but those spoke holes in those campagnolo hubs were a funny shape and bigger than they were when new that is the main reason i did on those hubs.
The difference between the zenith and the zenith endurance hubs is the bearings. The standard hub has nbk and the endurance has ezo. Rsi cycles claim this improves bearing life. It does not though. Bearing life is quite similar. It maybe down to how parallel the bores of the bearings seats are. If you want really high end bearings fork out for ntn as ina is second best. Ezo and nbk actally have the same grade abec-5.
Novatec make the zenith hub. The novatec version is called the a171/ f172. These are decent enough hubs with 6001 main shell bearings for the rear. The novatec hubs with bearing life issues are the a291/F482. These use small bearings but there is something about the hub design that contributes too. The light weight novatec hubs are race day hubs, fine for a season crit and road racing, then change the bearings at the end of the year. They are not much good for training which tends to happen all year round. So the novatec/Zenith hubs are fine for training and all weather use the lighter novatec hubs which by the way are rebranded as a zenith light weight hub.
The best hub for long bearkng life though without shelling out for hope hubs which are quite good is miche primato or rg2 hubs. Big 6001 bearings front and rear and they are really simple to work on. I have used hundreds of these and the problems morehave been very few and limited to a couple of broken freehub body pawl springs. So the poster could try the ambrosio hubs or the novatec version or the miche hubs. Ultegra hubs are a bit more expensive but if you look after them they will do stellar mileage. Campagnolo record hubs which can have a shimano freehub fitted, are lighter and not much more expensive than hope hubs but are quite perfect.
The dt swiss rr440 rims are very good. The asymetric option makes this a useful rim option over the other. Shame it is not wider or it would be more popular.
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dt 460?
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What's the current opinion on Archetype rims? I was all set to order a pair but then carried on reading the internet and saw this on strada saying they no longer rated them and thought the quality had gone down. I know that was a few months ago and the only really negative comments I've read about them but it's just put that doubt in my mind.
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Thank you for making that clear now.
DT Swiss460 all the way.
Archetypes are last year.
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Nobody seem to agree with Strada on this... I certainly have not seen any deterioration in quality...
Bear in mind the rumour of deteriorating rims quality has been going around for virtually every product... just a shortlist of those I remember: Ambrosio Excellence and excel light, Mavic Open PRO, Velocity A 23, Mavic M40... -
I agree wit the above. The only archetype i had to reject after well hundreds was one last week. It had a serious bump at the weld join but that is not a bad record. The archetype continues to be a good rim depsite what strada say.
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For the lobster?
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:-)
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Cool thanks. What would you go for @fussballclub?
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HED Ardennes Plus of course, but the way I go through rims maybe not. My wheel builder said he liked the DT460 esp. with the very good price. No info re. tyre mounting easy or not yet.
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@fussballclub I've got the deeper version of these in the post.
They may be worth considering - perhaps a bit light/thin. I believe an asymmetric version for the rear exists.
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Once you added postage and import fees, how much did you fork out?
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kinlin xr22t = superstar arc22 = halo evaura - shame about the lack of drilling options:)
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£200, for a pair of built wheels from Superstar Components posted. They sell the rims separately too. IIRC it's £40 a piece for the shallower of the two rim types, a little more for the 31mm deep version. They're not stocking the asymmetric rear rim yet.
They're using their Icon hub and Lasers: 20 front and 24 back in my build. This seems a little 'light' to me but these are summer/race wheels only and I'm not heavy... so we'll see. They have 2 years warranty and a crash-rebuild scheme (you pay for the new rim, they rebuild with new spokes and post it all for free).
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They're using their Icon hub and Lasers: 20 front and 24 back in my build. This seems a little 'light'
They will build with proper spokes to order, they just list all their 'stock' wheels with silly spokes to suck in the weight weenies.
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My mistake... I thought you bought the BHS ones...
Not interested in any Superstar product
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The price step-up to cx-ray spokes was significant unfortunately.
They do Sapim Race for about the same price as their Laser builds, a lot of extra stiffness for a couple of ounces per wheel
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The diameter of the spoke hole seems ok, I'm sure it's got more to do with the thickness of the flange.