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Ok. Think the front is ok now. Just went through again and again until getting it right. Chain tension and cage height were the main issues. Hopefully ok for a ride. Took bloody ages. Is it this bad with DA / Ultegra?
New Q: I set up and indexed the rear first, and it's all ok. If I want to swap the cable to install a larger loop, will it mess up the front mech set up? Or is it easy to just swap the old rear mech cable for a new one without affecting the front? Sorry if a silly question.