• It is not the biggest problem ever and I left positive feedback because I was overall happy (but in many respects I feel bad about doing that because the guy is a liar on his listins so deserves negative feedback).

    I was curious to hear opinions. It seems to me that people seem to think that "perfect working order" is the same thing as "a bit fucked but basically works". People seem to think that just because many balance bikes are shit one shouldn't expect a good quality one described as "perfect working order" to be in "perfect working order". People seem to think that misleading listings are fine so long as the end product is good value.

    Fair enough, I'm the mad one.

    But seriously, your responses do help me understand why people would be quite happy to lie on their listing and not feel guilty about it.

  • If the bike was a decent quality one with actual bearings and stuff and those bearings are now bugger fucked then don't moan here, open a case on ebay/paypal.

    I'm perhaps making massive presumptions but it sounds like you bought a balance bike, weren't too happy with the quality so are having a whinge. In which case, either go to a shop so that you can see the bike you are buying or buy a new one off tinternet such that distance selling regs apply and you can return if you aren't satisfied.

    Don't buy used on ebay then moan coz they quality int all that.

  • If the bike was a decent quality one with actual bearings and stuff and those bearings are now bugger fucked then don't moan here, open a case on ebay/paypal.

    I'm perhaps making massive presumptions but it sounds like you bought a balance bike, weren't too happy with the quality so are having a whinge. In which case, either go to a shop so that you can see the bike you are buying or buy a new one off tinternet such that distance selling regs apply and you can return if you aren't satisfied.

    Don't buy used on ebay then moan coz they quality int all that.

    I didn't open a case on ebay because, having driven 10 miles to get there to collect, I was of the opinion that the price was a good one for the item and I would rather take it for the price I won it at than open a dispute and try to get my money back. Interestingly the seller had demanded payment via paypal "because I hate it when people turn up and haggle". I should have realised this meant he hates people who win items he lists msleadingly and then take issue.

    I presume that you agree that ebay listings should be accurate whether or not the end price is fair or cheap?

    You are making massive presumptions.

    Since my original post I tried to take off the front wheel - one of the wheel nuts is rusted pretty much tight. It took me 15 mins to take off the front wheel and now I need to strip the wheel to stick the centre of the axle in a vice to try to get the worst of the wheel nuts off (to clean it up and see if it'll go back on). The wheel is maybe salvageable with an hour's labour and maybe a new axle and bearings... and maybe I need a new one.

    The interesting thing here is to note that that in an entirely unrepresentative and tiny survey 100% of respondents pretty much said that working order means "does it basically do what it is supposed to, even if it does it badly?" and "perfect" before "working order" means nothing - it can be stuck in front of "working order" for marketing purposes but implies nothing extra about condition.

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