Power Meters / Powermeters (SRM, Powertap, Quarq, Ergomo, Vector, Stages, power2max, P2M, 4iii, InPower, Cinch)

Why the Stages hatez - one sided and interwebz reliability reputation?

Not much serious competition for MTB except Quark if you want to run XX1. P2m is pretty weighty as well as 2x cost and Powertap weighty and new versions not so well thought of?

Search this thread for Stages.

Are QuarQ still operating? I thought they went out of business? Wait, I'm thinking of the other one, the BB powermeter people. Nevermind.

DA 9000 rear vs. Powertap G3 = 248g vs. 330g.
82g difference is less than the added weight of a P2M Type S which I think was ~120g

If you think 82g or 120g is weighty then you're Marco Pantani AICMFP

Marco could easily do 182g.

Lost the will to live at page 50

Weight difference is smaller than I realised but I need to swap between wheel sizes and axle standards plus want to be able to run XX1 and QR in the future.

We have POWER!

The Good - P2Max is a doddle to install and set up. Even someone as inept as I with a spanner can do it (thanks amey for the loan of the tool)

The Not So Good - A short test spin, with Trainerroad's virtual power to compare numbers with, suggests FTP is probably nearer 315/4.5 than 330/4.7 (TR's virtual power was within 15 watts along the whole curve, which I thought was impressive)

The Bad - There isn't one. Hurrah

Training begins tomorrow, after a well deserved beer.

You've just turned about 75% of the contributors to this thread against you with that post.

Shots fired, as they say.

But that is a good thing- I very much need to get off my arse and onto the turbo.

motivational envy.

315 is pretty legit decent FTP.

This would be a start.

Get rid of the winter blues and start preparing for the more challenging events later in the year.

Nothing wrong with beer, you heathen!

@ttm 315 deserves about 12 beers

I'm never riding with you again

This looks interesting; route link?

Edit: found it

Apologies. It wasn't an attempt at dick swinging, just initial thoughts having got it working.

Now, is it just me or is Golden Cheetah somewhat complicated? Is there something mac friendly that bridges the gap between Garmin Connect/Strava simplicity and GC? Or does anyone know of a good online resource to read about and learn the functionality of GC?

I'm reading the Coggan and Alan book, but it relates more to WKO. Am I better off paying for online training peaks?

Lots of questions I know.

Online Training Peaks is great but doesn't, as far as I can see, allow you to do the sort of analysis they do. That's academic for me 'cos I couldn't do such complicated sessions anyhow without brain explosion. Base miles to power plus simple intervals with occasional race data for me.

Training peaks best features are the power category chart - wish they would equate to MTB XC too - and the fitness chart as well as a good diary function that sums TSS and IF etc.

The sort of stuff I want to do is to build up a picture of my strengths and weaknesses over the next month or so as I accumulate data. After that I'll decide on some targets, but for now I'd like an easy to understand tool that clearly shows my x minute power isn't bad, but my y needs work.

It might be that Strava premium is enough for now and I should wait to move to something more complicated once I start to get a handle on my numbers.

Yeah - I like the Training Peaks pro (with BC discount it comes out pretty reasonable) - it does most of the stuff mentioned in the book (the only thing I have yet to find is quadrant analysis) and I like being able to view/upload from multiple devices etc and review data on my tablet/phone.

The power profile is probably what you are after (along with the peak power curve)

@ttm Sounds like you need to look at the spreadsheet of misery

(The watts per kilo / cat / duration chart)

QA is there.

When viewing the ride data chart. You just need to switch it to QA.

Haven't looked in ages so can't remember where the button is.

No need to apologise. I, at least, was just joshing with you.

The spreadsheet of misery?

I didn't know BC membership gives a discount. I'll have a look, cheers.

WKO is for winners.

@danb that's a good heads up, thanks. Do you mean the Premium Athelete edition? http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/membership/article/mem-trainingpeaks
I'm using Golden Cheetah but it is quite a mindfuck and unwieldy.

@TTM, you willy waving bellend, Golden Cheetah is pretty brutal to get your head around. You may as well start with that and see how you get on. I've found a few useful pages that i look at after a ride and am slowly trying to understand the rest. The Strava Premium stuff is a good basic overview too.

Have a look at these for Golden Cheetah stuff, they certainly helped me get going:
http://www.cyclingmusings.com/2011/02/golden-cheetah-quick-start-guide.html
http://www.cyclingmusings.com/2011/11/golden-cheeta-quickstart-guide-part-ii.html

I'm just casually looking on the P2M page. Just casually like.
I have a BB30 frame with one of those Praxxis sleeves and an Ultegra crankset. Which P2M should I continue to look at casually?