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  • Moving this, this and this from the Good Traders thread.

    I'm guessing you've been using this forum longer than I have. You're presuming I knew about this functionality; I didn't. It's not obvious, otherwise why would I have posted in here? I'm not doing this for the fun of it, I just wanted to clear up a query I had with the sale.

    I asked you if you had received the group and if you were happy with it; you replied that you were, so I deleted the PM: you think I've behaved unreasonably by not keeping a PM, the subject of which was concluded, in case at some point in the future you changed your mind and used on old PM and didn't see that you weren't actually sending it to anyone?

    Deleting a PM is hardly a dark art. You could have e-mailed me using the address you have from Paypal. You could have tagged me in your build thread or here. Your ignorance of how to use the forum is not my responsibility.

    I'll admit that I didn't spot the corroded cable anchor and bolt, that was my fault for not looking carefully through all the photos and checking specific details. It would have just been easier, and a courtesy, to let me know about it though. If something could potentially affect your sale, why not mention it? It wouldn't have made a difference in the end.

    You didn't look at the photos I published? You also didn't inspect the components before confirming that you were happy with your purchase? You bought second-hand components without considering that their condition wouldn't be as new? IT'S A CORRODED BOLT FFS.

    So you admit that the caliper isn't fully functioning, yet you're excusing yourself from this fact by making out that it's not something you think is necessary and presuming I wouldn't need it. This isn't acceptable behavior, I'm not sure why you think this is OK? I actually don't mind that the adjuster isn't working, as I said in my previous comment, but when I buy something I expect it to be in full working order; you should have checked this before selling it to me. I wonder what else might not be properly working.

    No, I'm excusing myself because, as I've already told you, I didn't know the adjuster was rounded-off because I didn't use it: I have readily accepted your word that it was in that condition when you received it. As such I would have refunded you £20.

    And you're the one that's pissed off? You've got an interesting way of looking at things. And to donate money to the forum just makes you look transparent - an obvious act to try and pardon yourself from your responsibilities as a seller.

    Yes, I'm pissed off because you have made me out to be a shyster who deliberately misrepresented a sale, resulting in you buying unserviceable components rendering your bike beyond use and ignored your reasonable attempts to resolve the issue.

    Whereas you are ignorant of what you chose to use, ie the forum; ignored the information (photos) and opportunity (upon receipt of the group) to determine it's condition; and publicly declaimed me based on the foregoing when you had alternative means and plenty of grounds (er... the Good Traders thread you started this in) to behave otherwise.

    That's why the forum got £20 and you didn't.

  • You didn't look at the photos I published? You also didn't inspect the components before confirming that you were happy with your purchase? You bought second-hand components without considering that their condition wouldn't be as new? IT'S A CORRODED BOLT FFS.

    Admittedly I didn't fully inspect the items, my mistake. You seemed like a nice guy so I trusted everything was in good condition. I even chose to overlook the massive smoke damage all the parts had because I was happy overall. Regardless of whether you think the corrosion a trivial issue, it spoils what is otherwise a groupset that looks in great condition. Just because its not important to you, don't presume that it isn't for another. For your information, the cheapest replacement anchor and bolt I could find is £9 and it's not even in stock. I found one that is and its £22 'FFS' (to quote you). Not cheap.

    No, I'm excusing myself because, as I've already told you, I didn't know the adjuster was rounded-off because I didn't use it: I have readily accepted your word that it was in that condition when you received it. As such I would have refunded you £20.

    Regardless, you should have checked everything was in working order before you agreed to the sale. If it was me, I wouldn't feel comfortable selling something for hundreds of pounds without first giving everything a proper check over.

    I only fitted the groupset recently so, naturally, I hadn't noticed the issue up until now.

    I didn't want your £20, all I wanted was for you to acknowledge that the part was unsuitable.

  • ...the massive smoke damage...

    Epic WTF thread >>>

    ...you should have checked everything was in working order before you agreed to the sale.

    I was using the group (on the frameset I sold TW) immediately before I sold it to you: if that's not thorough enough for you, then I suggest you buy your components new, from a shop.

    I didn't want your £20, all I wanted was for you to acknowledge that the part was unsuitable.

    Unsuitable for what? Neither the corroded cable clamp bolt, nor the rounded centring adjuster prevented me from using the rear brake.

    I have already accepted your word, that the adjuster was rounded-off when you received it and explained what I would have, and actually have done to make amends.

    If the corrosion of a petty fastener is preventing you from building your bike, then I suggest you buy your components new, from a shop.

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