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    Are we going to hear condemnation for the West Ham supporters' anti semitism yesterday? Or is anti semitism, like homophoibia acceptable?>

    Problem is, not all isms are born equal. The constant anti-semitism didn't get the coverage that the race thing seems to get. You can't hide your colour/phenotype so I guess it will readily get discussion. With no one coming out any time soon, it's too easy to turn a blind eye to issues of homophobia. God help the next one that does...
    #justinfashanu

    Likewise unless players/fans walk about with a badge stating their jew heritage it's relatively easy to glide on by....That fact that Spurs chant "Y*d Army" muddies the waters, I guess?

    It used to be a forum in-joke but I'm fatigued from hearing the R word being thrown about so much these days.

  • Problem is, not all isms are born equal. The constant anti-semitism
    didn't get the coverage that the race thing seems to get. You can't
    hide your colour/phenotype so I guess it will readily get discussion.
    With no one coming out any time soon, it's too easy to turn a blind
    eye to issues of homophobia. God help the next one that does...
    #justinfashanu

    Likewise unless players/fans walk about with a badge stating their jew
    heritage it's relatively easy to glide on by....That fact that Spurs
    chant "Y*d Army" muddies the waters, I guess?

    It used to be a forum in-joke but I'm fatigued from hearing the R word
    being thrown about so much these days.

    Thank you MG.

    I was sickened and disgusted by the events in Paris last week. Although crap like that was prevalent thirty years ago, football has gone a long way to changing attitudes within society. Racism and many other isms are prevalent in football but also in society as a whole and football has, to a great extent, been more forthright in its determination to rid society of racism at least. The days of Paul Canonville are long gone. Today football has brought an international perspective into many people's lives.

    Sadly, racism is raising its head in society again and so, it is not too surprising that it is reemerging in football. Hopefully the outcry that Paris provoked will make people think twice before repeating that nonsense.

    There has been a considerable amount of hypocrisy over the past week as well. Some have maintained that it is just a Chelsea issue. It is not, it is an issue within society as a whole. Some have used it to press their own narrow minded view of the world. Some have used it to push other forms of intolerance. "Rent boy racists" was an oft repeated phrase combining a holier than thou attitude towards racism with homophobia.

    At Chelsea, we could take on the insults and start calling ourselves "The Rentboys" or even "The racists". This would be entirely counterproductive. It would engender both hatred of gay people and acceptance of racism. This is why Tottenham's acceptance and use of the "Y-word" is unacceptable and must be stopped, whatever David Cameron might think.

  • Thank you MG.

    I was sickened and disgusted by the events in Paris last week. Although crap like that was prevalent thirty years ago, football has gone a long way to changing attitudes within society. Racism and many other isms are prevalent in football but also in society as a whole and football has, to a great extent, been more forthright in its determination to rid society of racism at least. The days of Paul Canonville are long gone. Today football has brought an international perspective into many people's lives.

    Sadly, racism is raising its head in society again and so, it is not too surprising that it is reemerging in football. Hopefully the outcry that Paris provoked will make people think twice before repeating that nonsense.

    There has been a considerable amount of hypocrisy over the past week as well. Some have maintained that it is just a Chelsea issue. It is not, it is an issue within society as a whole. Some have used it to press their own narrow minded view of the world. Some have used it to push other forms of intolerance. "Rent boy racists" was an oft repeated phrase combining a holier than thou attitude towards racism with homophobia.

    At Chelsea, we could take on the insults and start calling ourselves "The Rentboys" or even "The racists". This would be entirely counterproductive. It would engender both hatred of gay people and acceptance of racism. This is why Tottenham's acceptance and use of the "Y-word" is unacceptable and must be stopped, whatever David Cameron might think.>

    "football has, to a great extent, been more forthright in its determination to rid society of >racism at least" >

    C'mon Clive....football has helped preserve this in so many ways:

    Terry was given the England captaincy after being the only person I've seen wind up the normally passive Ledley King into a rage, calling him a fucking black monkey. I believe the FA were 100% complicit in this cover up as they removed all content of the incident which was freely available to watch for quite some time in the run up to his promotion.

    He's later involved in the Anton Ferdinand thing and we have Jose coming out to say, "One thing I know about JT is that he is 100% not racist."

    Youth teamer Jacob Mellis got sacked for letting off a smoke bomb. Ashley Cole kept on despite shooting someone with an air rifle.


    Liverpool are still in the dark ages when it come to these types of issues. The Suarez thing was shambolic...Tshirts?!
    Robbie Fowler/Graeme Le Saux... Yet Charles Itanje sacked for having a laugh during a Hillborough ceremony.

    I guess it depends on how good/valuable you are for the severity of your punishment but this
    kind of double talk surely undermines any true equality drives.

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