Cyclists stay back! stickers

It's a one way street - the arrows on the traffic islands are pointing both ways.....

you might want to look at the markings in the road and the rules around those signs. seem to remember it being you can take which ever lane without making any sharp turns. and i think off the top of my head you are meant to chose your lane before it splits, not divert in the middle of it like that.

i only know this after having done that on my motorbike, pretty much same situation, chancing it to get past a bus. then i got pulled over and they had a word about it

How do infer that in any way?

You made a fatuous statement "don't add to the list of dickheads and stay out of their way then. pretty easy"

The list of dead cyclists makes it pretty clear that staying out of the way isn't the issue here.

We all have anecdotes of being in primary, or being "out of the way", and having heavy goods vehicles overtaking from behind and left hooking us, or pulling across us from being in another lane of traffic, or overtaking us and close us off.

But the driver can't be in the wrong, can they.

Because they have a sticker.

It's the cyclists fault for not reading the sticker. The cyclists are just dickheads on a list, dickheads who should have just stayed out of the way.

Are you arguing against educating people not to undertake or ride too close to large vehicles?

How about a sticker that says

Cyclists: undertake if you want, there's a list of deaths that proves the driver is always at fault.

What he saying is that even if you ride correctly, the risk of getting hit by a tipper is still there due to driver's negligence.

Ok, I think we're getting somewhere. Apologies for my sarcasm. The sticker should read:

Cyclists: Even if you ride correctly, the risk of getting hit by a tipper is still there due to driver's negligence. STAY BACK!

I think that would communicate the danger so many seem totally oblivious of.

It has a nice ring to it.

I'm seeing more and more of these stickers on the back of trucks recently

I think they are better than the "stay back" stickers but are still trying to shift the responsibility away from the driver. Best place for a sticker is inthe cab telling the driver not to driver like a dick and not to put other road users at risk

You're six months late for this conversation :)

are still trying to shift the responsibility away from the driver

Not really though, they're telling cyclists to be careful. Which is fair enough. In fact, all warning stickers everywhere should just say :

@Hefty NOW seems a bit harsh maybe "Careful, if you so feel"

Look at that clip hefty. A driver fails to notice, or doesn't care about, the cyclists ahead of him, smashes into them, gets out of the cab and says "I've got stickers!" It's a built-in alibi that offers excuses for piss poor drivers like him.

le shrug.

He also used the fact he was indicating as an excuse. People will come up with anything to excuse their mistakes, taking away stickers won't change that.

I didn't like the Stay Back ones, but these seem to me to carry a sensible message. I can imagine an inexperienced rider might read that sticker, reason it through in their mind and be more careful when kerb-scooting.

See stickers all the time, but this morning was the first time I'd seen the entire rear of a lorry devoted to this message, accompanied by the phrase "alert today, alive tomorrow" which raised my heckles.

If people stopped reading the stickers and kept an eye on the road maybe this would help!

Explain.

Reading stuff while doing other stuff is distracting, that's why you can only check your phone while driving 5 times per mile.

What if you take a photo of the sticker, post it on the forum, then read the responses? That way, you don't have to waster precious concentration time on formulating an opinion - yo can just subscribe to the hivemind's opinion.

Well isn't this is a combustive topic!

It's a fair point though; if you're aware that drivers are likely to swerve or brake randomly & you take the appropriate action you are more likely to stay alive/uninjured. Or maybe it's a reminder for the driver behind them to remain alert so other road users stay alive?

Yes, as a general point, reminding people to be alert on the roads is fair enough.

Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions and there are also lorries with 8x8ft pictures of audis accompanied by slogans about keeping your hands at ten to 2 on the steering wheel otherwise you might paralyse somebody.

Amusingly, the local Cambridge rag considers this news-worthy :

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridgeshire-van-driver-tells-cyclists-8216/story-26038300-detail/story.html

I think that's a great story to be running.

Good man, we need so much more of that wise attitude.

It's not even so much the sticker but what he says in the article.

Colin McKenzie of the Road Danger Reduction Forum has a new post about this: http://rdrf.org.uk/2015/02/20/cyclists-stay-back-stickers-the-saga-continues/

Thanks for posting that link @bothwell it's depressing. TfL have little control over private vehicles and the proliferation of these ridiculous stickers is indicative of the deep fear/anger/hatred by many of such an benign way to get around.

At least official vehicles from TFL and FORS should eventually remove these.