Understand what you're saying @Kaaaaaaandries, almost feel we're walking the same path to the perfect bicycle
Up until a few years ago every bike I owned had down-tube shifters because all I had tried were Shimano systems.
If you're on a budget I'd strongly recommend Sram Apex, I've ridden it quite a few times before and it has similar characteristics to Force and Red, it gives a more satisfying 'clunk' than Campagnolo or Shimano seems to.
Match that up with some good quality wheels and tyres and you're about set.
Understand what you're saying @Kaaaaaaandries, almost feel we're walking the same path to the perfect bicycle
Up until a few years ago every bike I owned had down-tube shifters because all I had tried were Shimano systems.
If you're on a budget I'd strongly recommend Sram Apex, I've ridden it quite a few times before and it has similar characteristics to Force and Red, it gives a more satisfying 'clunk' than Campagnolo or Shimano seems to.
Match that up with some good quality wheels and tyres and you're about set.