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  • Most people who are against mini holland seem to be homeowners who have increased traffic on their previously quiet street. It makes their street more dangerous, noisier, polluted and drops value of their real estate. I totally understand where they're coming from. The zimmerframe/parking/loss of business hysteria might just be homeowners trying to think of a less-selfish sounding excuse.

    So the real issue is as @pootsmanuva said: How can we encourage motorists to cycle or walk for short trips? Hopefully schemes like mini holland will gradually turn the tide.

  • Most people who are against mini holland seem to be homeowners who have increased traffic on their previously quiet street.

    Nah, not in Enfield. Helen O "represents" traders in N21 and the surrounding areas, so she's against it for the same old spurious "but if there is no on-street parking then society will collapse" reasons that many traders are, and she's using old people as an emotive excuse in the hope that people who aren't traders will be swayed to the traders' arguments. The people who actually live on the quiet streets are generally quite keen on the idea as it'll help stop dickheads hooning it up and down their streets at 40mph. The other group that objects tends to be the "keen motorist", and that's a group that I don't think can be reached.

    Many normal humans aren't against Mini Holland at all and are more likely to walk and cycle if it weren't for the terrible behaviour of people in cars. Some of them are holding out for MH to enable that (particularly parents or people who feel more vulnerable), and the shouty "WHY WOULD YOU STOP ME DRIVING TO SAINSBURYS" crowd threaten to drown out their voices because they're so angry at the thought of anything being taken away from them... even when they've already got more space and more safety than anyone else.

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