Current Projects chat and miscellany

According to the vast majority of wheelbuilders heads in or heads out, whether on leading spokes on disc-braked wheels or trailing spokes on rear wheels, makes no difference at all and is a matter of personal preference. The sole exception is the rear drive-side where for clearance issues it's best to have trailing spokes heads out. Here's what Sheldon Brown has to say on the subject. Gerd Schraner says the same in his book.

Maybe it makes no difference in their experience, however the theory is sound. Jobst Brandt also explicitly states the requirement to do this within The Bicycle Wheel.

I've no evidence to support this, however it is no extra effort to consider during the build. I'm not suggesting de-lacing and rebuilding btw!

Your build method will increase the tension of each of these spokes more when the brake is applied, therefore leading to a slightly higher chance of failure.

@Howard will break these wheels in race, long before any material fatigue :-)

Cheers all. There does seem to be a bit of discussion around this. Zinn seems to think it matters but I'm not sure he's suggesting the same orientation (or maybe I'm just not getting the terminology).

I may re-lace as I've yet to true and tension them.

Zinn seems to think

Zinn seems to think I'm in need of 250mm cranks, so I wouldn't be too bothered about what he says.

Yeah 250mm is way too short

The principle is exactly the same as that used to calculate the capacity of a sling when undertaking lifting operations. The angle of the sling must also be accounted for together with the load itself when selecting the correct rating. The sling needs to be a higher rating when there is a greater angle, see below.

It's the same with spokes, when they are heads in, the tension goes up more then when they are heads out, for those spokes that increase in tension when the disc brake is applied.

To be fair I would say even spoke tensioning and effective stress relief will have a far bigger effect than what we are discussing here.

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My wheels won't explode then?

At least, not because of heads in/out :)

I need recommendations on a frame that I could use as both a commuter, mud warrior and light tourer. Which ones should I look at?

Pomp?
#inb4scoble

Cross Check?

Surly Straggler
Genesis Tour De Fleur
Soma Wolverine

Any mtb or cx frame. Most have eyelets, not all have rack mounts.

Yeah, might pull the trigger on a Tangerine Dream actually. CC seems to be the most well rounded frame. Doing a 1x10 setup.

Are Wolf Tooth Drop-Stop the best bang for the buck ring or are there any others rated?

All City Macho Man

Yeah, that's the next one up. Seems all stockists online have the CC on pre-order and the wait is like 3months +.

Threw on a pair of wheels I had over and an EA50 lowrise.

Now I'm just waiting for my vulgo crankset..

I took an ebay punt on this frameset and picked it up today (lovely chap called Barry) as a 26" parts-hanger. Put some random bits on and cracked out the tape measure - looks like it could work and once the stem tilts up a bit it might even stay.

handy/notable bits -
came with plasticky brakes and seat binder bolt (not shown - pulley stem and flat bars),
1 inch steerer,
cables under downtube so no trouser slappy,
rear u-brake under stays for added dirt-hiding and luggage/lock space,
front lowrider mounts,
welded seat binder / bilaminate overbuilding,
at least one tube is ishiwata 4130 plain guage,
cost a tenner.

sad bits -
u-brake under stays is unknown for me.
TIG looks serviceable, but rear dropouts appear roughly fitted and weirdly devoid of braze.
130mm rear spacing was a long-forgotten struggle to fit.
I just want to ride it till it breaks.

Now debating bar end shifters or brifters or something like the idea below found on mtbr. Will almost certainly ride it singlespeed for a while once I get a seatpost that fits. pics

(I am looking for a long 26.8 inline if anyone has spare silver.)

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Hopefully not, you can be the judge on that!

Good looking wheels btw

nice. black spokes silver rim all good.

You build bikes up good G

Thanks,

A friend crashed a elipse wheel so i built it up on a campa euros rim with og spokes :)

New commuter.

Indexing: done.

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once the stem tilts up a bit

You mean it doesn't already? ;)
Looks like a fun project!

It look like rrrction.. Making me feel horny if I tilt too much..

Some progress on my Cannondale my wheels were built whilst I was away last week:

Sapim laser spokes I believe and the weight is very pleasing:

They sound nice too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfBfsL0_UDg

Im now just waiting for his new BB30 tools to turn up and this lot to arrive: