Peds!

...and it's a ridiculously hostile way to treat people in a city.

Every part of living in London is hostile and not geared towards you and I.

Every part of living in London is hostile and not geared towards you and I.

As a Londoner I can't agree with you on that.

me neither, you dicks.

In the Netherlands there's a countdown timer at a lot of crossings, but it's counting down how much time you have left to wait until the pedestrian light goes green. You're less likely to try and cross in a gap between traffic if you can see that's it's about to be your turn. This is basically the opposite of that - and it's a ridiculously hostile way to treat people in a city.

That makes so much more sense! Creating a general culture of everyone taking their turn (instead of every man/woman for themselves) would be better for all of us, but it seems like such a massive shift that it's unlikely happen.

Dutch hippies! Kill or be killed!

#londoner

But it seems like such a massive shift that it's unlikely happen.

It won't happen, the politician in London put motorised vehicles first and foremost.

It won't happen, the politician in London put motorised vehicles first and foremost.

London hates cyclists.

...Creating a general culture of everyone taking their turn (instead of every man/woman for themselves) would be better for all of us, but it seems like such a massive shift that it's unlikely happen.

It won't happen, the politician in London put motorised vehicles first and foremost.

Whut?

misread, it happen.

Tragic story of ped getting knocked down and killed by a cyclist on TCR.

http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/?news_id=39256

The statements from the cyclist sound suggest that despite seeing everyone else crossing, the victim appeared out of nowhere, in the same way that cyclists always do before they're hit by cars. Must've been very sprightly for a partially-sighted 81 year old.

The rider was doing 11mph, I don't think blame can be attached in that terrible story.

Indeed. My interpretation of it was that the cyclist probably had his head down as he was mashing out of the lights and didn't get his head up in time to see the Ped. The sheep mentality of all road users is one of the biggest dangers out there.

"'I saw about eight or 10 people on the pedestrian crossing as I was approaching, I said excuse me in a polite manner.

'I was in the middle of the road heading for the bus and cycle lane on the left, and when the people passed there was a space on the left for me.'

He continued: 'All of a sudden I felt a very hard impact to my head and I fell off my bike to the right'."

I'm interpreting that as him seeing people crossing but misjudging a gap he thought he could fit through.

The report says he was doing 11mph 'at the time of the crash', no mention of how quickly he was approaching them.

therefore we know that the pedestrian control lights were red, in spite of that the pedestrians started to cross

It doesn't matter how fast the road user is going unless they are breaking the speed limit, and even then the lights were still red.

If you are a ped and you jump red lights at a crossing, you are accepting the fact that there is a chance that you are going to get run over.

If cyclists or motorists jump red lights at junctions, they are accepting the fact that they probably will get hit by another road user.

You take the chance, you dice with death.

The Green Cross code exists for a reason, use it.

Yes, but the case here was that the Ped was blind, and only walked into the road because he heard other peds, ahead of him, doing so. The difference being that they knew they were crossing on a red, he didn't. Just unlucky for the gent.

Yeah definitely, the people in front of him that took the chance led to this poor guys death. So sad.

I'm interpreting that as him seeing people crossing but misjudging a gap he thought he could fit through.

I'm interpreting it as a legal right turn for the cyclist, and a flow of peds continuing to cross the minor road after their ped light had gone red. They'd have known the traffic would have to cross at least one traffic lane to get into the minor road so would have figured they had plenty of time.

It's not outside the realms of possibility that the guy on the bike could have been checking on what the bus behind him was doing as the peds were clearing off the road, then bam - into the poor blind chap in front of him.

The speed limit is a maximum, you tit. There are plenty of circumstances where you're expected to slow down, one of which would be a load of people crossing the road in front of you.

I'm fairly certain the Highway Code trumps the Green Cross one, and includes things like:

try to be understanding if other road users cause problems; they may be inexperienced or not know the area well.

be patient; remember that anyone can make a mistake.

There is a risk of pedestrians, especially children, stepping unexpectedly into the road. You should drive with the safety of children in mind at a speed suitable for the conditions.

Drive carefully and slowly when... ...in crowded shopping streets, Home Zones and Quiet Lanes (see Rule 218) or residential areas

The person that was killed apparently only started crossing the road because he mistakenly thought other people crossing meant the light was green. You seem to think this meant he deserved to die? Wonderful.

Well you couldn't have misunderstood me more.

If peds didn't jump red lights, then they wouldn't get hit by road users at all in these instances, is that hard for your to get you simple mind around?

If you had the ability to understand the quotes above, you might realise that drivers and cyclists are expected to behave in a way which reduces the likelihood of hitting anyone in the road regardless of the circumstances.

It was a tragic accident. This handwringing is about as undignified as it gets.

And signalled lights are there so pedestrians are expected not to walk out into oncoming traffic.

You are needlessly over complicating the fact that if you don't walk onto the road when you aren't supposed to, you will not get hit by a road user. It's really not difficult to grasp.

I knew the name rang a bell.

How many more have you racked up in the last five months?

It is a tragic accident, but trying to stir it up as something else is why I've commented.

I'm interpreting that as him seeing people crossing but misjudging a gap he thought he could fit through.