• @Jezston all of the rep

    I absolutely cannot stand whoever the fuck these people who insult, belittle and deride people who aren't totally behind segregation, lycra wearers and the like. People like copenhagenize and people in smaller groups go out of their way to attack people who've made huge positive differences to cycling in this country, who have more or less dedicated their lives to improving conditions for cyclists and cycling in general, when as far as I know these people have done fuck all themselves other than making a lot of noise on the internet. Seriously, who the fuck are these arseholes?

    +1

    This is the loud, militant voice of segregation.

    We need to understand that these people don't look at the road the same way that we do.

    There is no "share the road" with these people, it's an "us and them" battle, "cyclists vs motorists".

    They don't need a licence to ride a bike, therefore are not obliged to be trained or educated to use the road in a safe manner, so they want there own road, instead of learning or teaching themselves like I did how to use the existing roads.

    When they see a bad road they don't ask the questions; why is road so bad? Why is this junction so chaotic? Why are road users at a standstill constantly? What is happening to prevent free traffic flow? Why isn't there enough space?

    They don't care that cyclists, cars, busses, vans, motorcyclists are all road users, and are capable of sharing the road.

    Improve the bad road for everyone, make the bad junction easier to navigate for everyone and all road users will benefit.

    The louder this segregation voice gets the closer we get to this in London:

    I currently live in a city (Helsinki) that has a really shitty segregation system. I have to share with pedestrians, blithe dog walkers, motorised scooters and those fucking rollerbladers with sticks thing. And also cyclists coming in the other direction on a cycle path 1.5m wide. If I try using the road, I will get shit and could get fined.

    Cyclists have the right to be road users, we can prevent the above from happening if we stop the segregation nazis from drawing lines between us and motorists. We should instead be uniting to have bad junctions and roads completely redesigned to help all road users co-exist safely.

  • Improve the bad road for everyone, make the bad junction easier to navigate for everyone and all road users will benefit.

    In my view, if you have to learn and memorised which lane to get to in order to go to the direction you want to go, it's a badly designed junction.

    A good junction should be easy enough for anyone to use without needing to figure out which of the 4 lane will guide them to the correct direction at 40mph in a short distance (I'm talking about driving).

  • Agreed, you have to have your shit together when approaching the junction at Deptford Bridge for e.g, I know the area well so I'm fine but many motorists get caught out because it's such a mess.

    It needs a complete overhaul. A couple of cycle lanes wont change the fact that is a catastrophic junction for all.

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