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No worries man, I wasn't really clear in the first place
@drescroto oh no i get that, it's just currently, if you want a narrow-wide chainring for shimano's road cranks, there's no option, just a nice to fill :)
And I presume once you've found a winning formula though, you just need to replicate it across the board.
Yeah, 4 bolt road is wider than the mtb, sorry.