• Phew, thankfully things have cooled down a bit in here. It is probably healthy to have this sort of bust up now and again, as long as we continue talking. If people had made the connection between @cyclelove and his blog he might have got the respect he deserves.
    We really should be arguing about the quality of our streets/cyclelanes instead of blasting away at each other. In my view the real problem is the crap quality of the 'cycle' infrastructure that is put in, far too often all the money is wasted by leading people to the same (or worse) dangerous junctions where most of the crashes happen. About 10% of cyclist deaths in London happen to riders at junctions on routes with separated cycle paths, I find that to be a frighteningly high percentage. I worry that the 'segregated' route on Stratford High street has set up half a dozen very hazardous junctions, before you get to the mess at Bow roundabout.
    The idea of segregation being the solution for all cycling problems has been vastly oversold, especially to people who don't cycle. It doesn't follow the segregation is necessarily bad, I think the planned East West route along the Embankment could be better for everyone and will attract more people to cycling, but it will not be worth it if they don't do something prevent these new cyclists being mashed by lorries when they get to the Tower Hill and Aldgate one-way traffic systems.
    The video of 10 bus stop by-passes from David Hembrow made me weep (again). What relevance to those designs have to the narrow bits of Kingsland road where there is very little pavement space, less than 12 metres road width used by almost 1000 cyclists and 5-6000 bus passengers in peak hour. There are very complex problems there which cannot be sorted with trivial solutions.

  • About 10% of cyclist deaths in London happen to riders at junctions on routes with separated cycle paths, I find that to be a frighteningly high percentage

    Hmm. Are you sure? We have very little properly separated cycle track, so I have doubts. And only a couple of properly separated junctions on these But there are generally about 12-18 deaths a year, so you could easily give a list of specific incidents to back this up (and maybe an account of what happened in each case, so design could be improved..)

  • 'The idea of segregation being the solution for all cycling problems has been vastly oversold, '

    Sorry, by whom? And how? Well-designed protected lanes and junctions make it possible for people who don't dare to cycle on main roads right now to use the fastest, most direct routes. That's pretty important. We also need well-designed crossings of main roads, and traffic removal from minor roads - but there are many place where minor roads just don't go where people want to go..

    The narrow section of Kingsland Rd (Hackney's eternal example, ignoring all the other roads in the borough..) is tricky (but not impossible - a central two-way track is one feasible option. not perfect, but nothing will be..), but there are miles and miles of A-road in London where protected lanes are pretty easy to put in place.

  • The video of 10 bus stop by-passes from David Hembrow made me weep (again). What relevance to those designs have to the narrow bits of Kingsland road where there is very little pavement space, less than 12 metres road width used by almost 1000 cyclists and 5-6000 bus passengers in peak hour. There are very complex problems there which cannot be sorted with trivial solutions.

    I was just about to post somethign along those lines. So frustrating having someone cycle around quiet country roads with a long historical precedent of catering for bikes and then claim that people can't even copy them properly.

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