If you support segregated cycling infrastructure in Hackney

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cyclelove in reply to @MechaMorgan

If someone can find me a good example of a segregated cycle lane which can support both buses stopping and pedestrians accessing the bus stop, without causing either to cross the path of cyclists, then I might support their integration.

I think that's impossible...

But if you watch the below, there are 10 examples of how to do it with as little conflict as possible. (And also, some amazing 3.5m wide cycle lanes :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ0lT7KeRls#t=58
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MechaMorgan in reply to @cyclelove

I think that's impossible...

You're right, and a video showing 10 examples with absolutely no pedestrians or buses using the stops isn't much help either. When a bus load of commuters and school kids piles off, halfway down the CS7 at 1730 and no-one steps off in to the tidal wave of nodders then it might be a feasible thing.

I think I'm taking the anti-segregation argument to the next level: Even when implemented as-best-as-possible, if not perfectly, they're still a poor solution.

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ffm in reply to @MechaMorgan

I think I'm taking the anti-segregation argument to the next level: Even when implemented as-best-as-possible, if not perfectly, they're still a poor solution.

But what would be a perfect solution? No matter how much you calm motor-traffic on the roads there will always be some and a percentage of that will (unfortunately) be driven less than perfectly and that will make a substantial number of people reluctant to cycle. Much of anti-segregationism seems to be based on wishful thinking about how people actually view cycling. Yes, cycle training definitely helps, but if you want cycling to be open to everyone you have to separate it, in at least some locations, from motor traffic.

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