Bike porn

Two guys I know bought in an auction 5 Laser pursuit pista framesets (National team edition) and sold 3 of them for an average of €4,500 (£3800) each.

i call horseshit ;-)
here's some recent sales prices
8,000
47,000
19,000
these are not 'common''

one possible reason cicli listed such a frame at a price is seo for themselves, i had a conversation with the proscloset regarding why they listed the futura colnago pista here
and they conceded for seo purposes

i call horseshit ;-)

Ehm? I really know them, not hear-say or anything like that.
They are young, lucky, but honest guys. The same guys that bought in another auction a locker full of Somec pursuit (where mine came from).

These are the 3 Laser (SLX) they sold for the money I told you, and they kept the other 2 of the group of 5 for themselves:

they undersold

Maybe they're bicycle enthusiasts, as opposed to money enthusiasts?
If you push the price of everything up, you'll eventually be poor.

Nobody in Italy wanted to pay the money they were asking, that's why all these frame flew pretty far to find their buyers ;)

I read an article somewhere about an american finance boss that bought a Cinelli Laser Crono complete with Super Record in Italy in near new condition for €15.000.
I remember the reaction by the italian collectors was like "he is stupid to pay that much for a Laser" but try to tell him that spending that kind of money on a Laser is stupid... I'm sure he wouldn't mind paying €150k if the seller asked for more ;)

Absolutely.
As well they avoided ebay and any other major selling/auction site, just posted them in their flickr photostream.

And about the 47k Colombo Laser...

• It's not a Laser
  
• It can't reflect the real value as (RED) is a very big charity auction where things are paid without looking at what they are actually bidding at (look at the Sotheby's auction page, I laughed for days...)
  

Maybe they're bicycle enthusiasts, as opposed to money enthusiasts?
If you push the price of everything up, you'll eventually be poor.

be nice if they were
if was auctioned, market would have determined real value

And about the 47k Colombo Laser...

It's not a Laser
It can't reflect the real value as (RED) is a very big charity auction where things are paid without looking at what they are actually bidding at (look at the Sotheby's auction page, I laughed for days...)

the listing states it is a laser nostra prototype,nobium steel
the point was that this sale arguably incresed the retail value of original lasers, and the type of demographic that ''paid without looking at it'' could arguably be the type to buy at these prices, similar to the futura master prototype which Nadir was asking $110,000 for, or the hour record obree , sold for 10,000 pounds after previously been hanging in a boardroom
it could be also argued that frames of this type are bought for speculative purpose as well as 'statement' pieces to be left on show

it could be stated without doubt that frames of this type are bought for speculative purpose as well as 'statement' pieces to be left on show

EFA. Same pricks buying up air-cooled 911s right now. Clueless.

I thought the highest bidder for Obree's bike was actually the seller, that changed his mind at the end and controversially kept it to avoid legal and moral issues. But I might be wrong.
About the Cinelli used on Red Hook crit, it's simply not worth anything, really. A couple of thousands maybe? Just because it's Cinelli, winning bike (for the smallest bicycle competition ever??) and all?
I would really like to know who bought it at the end, just to understand which kind of marketing trick is behind all of this.

stop posting those fugly Lasers.
this is the real deal:

About the Cinelli used on Red Hook crit, it's simply not worth anything, really. A couple of thousands maybe? Just because it's Cinelli, winning bike (for the smallest bicycle competition ever??) and all?

again a poor response
was one of 21 'laser's built in 2012

good if you can sell it though,
like emperors new clothes or mr brain washes 'art'

Anyone know what forks these are?

they come with the frame:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/700C-Carbon-Road-Bike-Frame-Cyclocross-Bicycle-frame-Disc-Brake-Cross-Frame-BB30-BSA-And-DI2/1956199518.html

About the Cinelli used on Red Hook crit, it's simply not worth anything, really.

this is only an opinion, and therefore could be viewed as 'simply not worth anything really'
the re issue lasers started at around 9,000 i believe
''For 2012, Cinelli is reissuing a limited run of this Laser Nostra built and designed by the same three people. The new version follows the geometry and manufacturing techniques of the originals but gets Columbus’ new Spirit steel tubes, made of Niobium steel (steel with manganese, chrome, nickel, molybdenum and niobium). This material lets them manipulate the tubesets via triple butting, getting as thin as 0.38mm in places, for a high strength to weight ratio.''

that doesn't know how "common" these frames are,

erm. really?
Roughly 200 frames were made, each slightly different than the other as Antonio Colombo (designer), Andrea Pesenti (framebuilder) and Paolo Erzegovesi (engineer) continually refined the bike for each rider and application

Fucking Lasers.

is that a star wars quote?

'watch out for those fuucking lasers Chewie'

'nerarrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh'

got's to get me a wookie

Hadn't seen before that this one doesn't have a headset! How does it work? Like a modern integrated one?

I heard the new steel Lasers used filler* to create the finning, and not, per the OG ones, the actual shape of the metal.

*Well, not filler, though the construction was fundamentally different. By different I'd mean broadly regarded as not as good.

no doubt they probably aren't as good as originals, and prob no doubt the whole re issue thing is just an attempt to capitalise on the market interest, like colnago have done on with the master 30th anniversary re issue