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in reference to the rando bag stuff, that's totally correct. standard style rando bags (I made a couple for dudes on here a little while ago) do have weatherproofing isssues due to the closure.
me personally, I've only ever made rando bags with floating liners so water getting through the seams is nearly impossible. I use a 4oz PU liner (simliar weight to 420d pack cloth) with has a 2500HH, rather than a truck tarp (most of the time). Theres no exposed part of the main compartment where the needle has gone from the outside to the inside of the bag.
as for the wet getting in through the top, I've done my best to solve that by making a kind of hybrid fold down closure. in this instance its 100x better than a traditional rando bag closure but it's slightly heavier due to the extra fabric. Chaks new bag is made in this way aswell as the smaller klickfix ones.
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Never had anything in the main compartment of mine get wet, the inner flaps with buckle fastening works really well. Keep up the good work fella. The wife may want a bag sometime next year, will definitely give you a shout.
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Sounds good. I figured floating liners would be an improvement - I guess Swift/Acorn don't use them at the moment as it would require a bit of a redesign to make it work with the slot-in supports they use to give the bags their shape (more of a requirement for the huge size bags probably...)
jontea
atk
I'd guess that'd be water coming through the seams rather than saturating the outer and liner (which I assume was your standard waterproof tarp...). It looks like they've replaced the liners with xpac now, should make things a bit lighter but if any water does get in, it won't drain.