Can you help to identify these frames, bikes or parts?

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Cheers!

Ok, here it is. It's really nicely made but i dont know what it is. Fork and rear triangle are made from Columbus Air tubing, this all i know.

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Please help me! What Moser do we have here?

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/113276565125636263130/albums/6080403830101732273

Trying to figure out the origin of this frame. Originally thought it as a Dave Hinde, but email from them says not.

Serial number reads as 330HH398.

I've also emailed Harry Hall in Manchester (HH right?) but have yet to receive an answer. The frame is stickered as Reynolds 653, has Columbus dropouts, straight forks and close tyre clearances. It also has an Argos sticker on it, which suggests it has been resprayed at some point.

Any help would be appreciated. It's a lovely frame, but too small for me at 54cm.

It's a San Cristobal. Before the hour record (51.151) models came out. Actually more '78.
From the look of it (decal and panto) it looks like a Columbus SL model.

I saw those shallow chromed seat stays somewhere, can't recall where.

Here a catalog from 81-83 (albeit the shallow seat stays I think, from my own searching, is from before the 80s, more late 70s):

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B41COrvE5iuAOEdpbGQydlRzbWM/edit?usp=sharing

(courtesy of: http://www.raggidistoria.com/p/libreria.html)

PS: actually the "San Cristobal" is not a model per se. But with so many details I still haven't figure out a way to date them. Same have FM pantographed on the fork crowns, some the full F.Moser (curved script), some have shallow seat stays heads (?), some flat, some chromed, some have a full chromed forks, some only the crown, some have FM on the lower side of the BB shell, some don't, the seat stay bridge also changes a lot as the pantograph on the top lugs (you've got an M, I got a hearth), some got F.Moser on the dropouts, some don't, some got standard Campagnolo or Gipiemme. It is such a mix ...

Only certain thing is that they all were made from 1978 to 1984 (i.e. after he won in San Cristobal and before he made the hour record)

PS: just saw another San Cristobal from the 78 and it also sported the same shallow seat stays crowns, the FM on the fork crown shoulders and the M on the lugs. So I confirm your model is from 78-80/1 (from the 81 to 83 the catalogue models shows different details)

Hi All,
Need your help with identifying what probably once was a beautiful bike,
The owner claims that it is a Colnago... and that all parts and decals are the original ones.
I really can't tell, the parts seem to be mostly campy NR, but the crank panto is a bit unusual (at least from what i have seen before), and i think the stem doesn't fit as well.
I am considering buying these, the price is 400 p.
Need to decide soon, please help.
Thanks.

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Shouldn't the frame be dripping in cloverleafs?

@saarf

that's a good point, but pre 70s frames didn't have the cloverleafs all around yet, The only clue i found was the fork lugs, which seems to be identical to some of the bikes in this collection of pre 70s colnago
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclomondo/collections/72157605349141744/

'Nags are beyond my remit, hence paging Saarf: have a look at this.

Got your point and appreciate the help. Will wait patiently for the expert.

Anyone know what these grips are?

the fork crowns on this were quite commonly used, colner used them on things like fake viners
the rear wheel to dt space looks too big. there are no porto holes on the drive side drop out, the seat post cluster/stay area joins look too unsophisticated
the 'c' font on the chainring is as yet unattributed to Colnago, so not Colnago, the clover panto on the stem face has 4 leaves, colnago use 3,
the 4 leaves are familiar, i have had a dt shifter set with this, but is not Colnago
i would say this is not a colnago

Weird. The stripe decals on the downtube and what looks like a face (earlier Mosers had his face on the downtube and head tube decals, albeit small, right between the stripes), the lugs and the fork crown are very similar to Mosers' one.
Also the seat stay bridge "bosses" (? how are they called, keep forgetting) are very similar to mine.

But there are no F.Moser pantos anywhere to be seen.

Thank you very much for the detailed anlysis saarf.
2 more questions if i may,
Could you roughly date this frame given the above pics ?
What would you consider a fair price for the bike as is ?

Thank you anidel,
Moser is an interesting lead, will try to look for old Moser and see if any earlier ones were made with no panto's.

It would be a very weird Moser. But those 'flowers' are similar to mine, as the fork crown (Amatori model) and same for the striped decals on the downtube and, lastly, the seat stays bridge.

no worries, always a pleasure
ageing is always difficult, saw a mercian the other day where owner had brazed cable guides removed, replace with clamp on campy ones, which if you use colnago as a reference, would put the frame from 60' to mid 70's
as not colnago , hard to say, best thing to ascertain a rough idea is if the gruppo is original, look at the rd pat.no and should give and year, eg, 72, 77, 82, 84
bike could be reynolds 531, but no provenance, so best to attribute a value to gruppo
if a complete gruppo, I'd say 350-400 top end

hope this helps

Thanks saarf, It did help.
With the help of the seller dated the group to 74, following that I had a nice conversation with him, and he insists the this is a colnago, at some point he mentioned colnago sport.
I was not familiar with this model so I tried to dig some info on these and learned that colnago used to get contractors like benotto to build frames for the US market during the 70s, they were mostly built in mexico.
The lug work in my pictures is identical to some colnago sport bikes i found online (added a couple of links below)
http://www.retrospectivecycles.com/archive/colnago-sport-52cms/
http://annunci.ebay.it/annunci/biciclette/catania-annunci-acireale/colnago-sport-1980/64459068

I know those are not considered real colnagos, and i guess i won't be buying these for 400 p. At this point i am just trying to solve the puzzle :)
So can this be a colnago sport ?

@MattG87 soma maybe?

http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/soma-wakizashi-seatpost
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http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/sutro-quill-stem

Hi all!

Bit of a Campagnolo Chorus/Athena/Croce question! I have two braze on FDs, just trying to narrow down the groupset... Any thoughts (on this and how to get Flickr uploads to work... Sorry all)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/129421081@N07/15615997789/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129421081@N07/15803531482/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129421081@N07/15803530882/

Thanks. Steven!

Three basic types of C-Record era FD, with a subtle variation to one:

• 1. Record, which is immediately apparent from the dog-leg/dovetailed pivot;
  
• 2a. CDA/2nd gen. Chorus (RS), alloy arm which is chamfered at the end by the cable clamp bolt and (sometimes?) has a drilled braze-on clamp bolt;
  
• 2b. 1st gen Chorus/Athena, unchamfered alloy arm;
  
• 3. Athena/Veloce, steel arm.
  
  

I think 2a and 2b may have had hex and Allen head nut variants, but I gave up squinting at low res catalogue scans and C-Record era in general a while ago: life got so, much easier in 1995. :)

TL/DR
CDA/2G Chorus on the left, Athena/Veloce on the right (of the first picture).

there is too much uncertainty in the so called "sport " model,i do not recognise them tbh, this was quite an interesting discussion
http://www.lfgss.com/conversations/235567/

here's an example of what is purported to be a 'sport', there are a lot of differences in comparison to the images you posted

Thanks! Great stuff. I heard that you were the expert @Scilly.Suffolk, very nearly copied you in for that reason... ;) Glad to hear that one is the right era to match the rest of group... Finished project will be posted to the forum next week- I hope!!

Cheers again, S.