• Velocity A23 has the same ERD (nearly) but if you are changing spokes then the H plus son archetype is a very good rim. DT Swiss RR440 is a good shallow rim alternative these day narower than the archetype though.

    Ambrosio excellight is a good rim if you want shallow and narrow and it is stiffer than an open pro. the DT Swiss RR465 if you can find any is no longer in production but again a similar rim.

    You don't like the athestics of 23mm tyres on wide rims why, you want tyres to balloon. You get better ride comfort and handling. If you want tyres to balloon by a wider tyre. Also picking a rim because of the tyres you currently have is kind of ludicrous as the rim will outlast the tyre several time over.

  • Yeah I think I'm gonna give the A23 OC rim a go then just ride my current tyres for the meantime and get some 25s at a later date.

    I would go for Archetypes but as I'm running rim brakes I'd rather the MSW on the A23s - again just for aesthetic purposes.

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