Epic WTF

As the motorist is legally responsible in NL UNLESS they can prove the cyclist ran a red light I can see the need to keep things enforced every now and then. As in you know it's RED. Also when there's nothing coming, too bad.

Though this is pretty pointless as the cyclist is responsible when they run over a pedestrian which as we all know rarely happens...

So pretty annoying but yeah thems the rules...police does their job and it's not good either, they can't win :P

also its generally not the police who make the laws, they have to enforce the shit ones as well as the sane ones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojSaYrOttVs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrxPuk0JefA

Why don't they cycle on the road?

Or get off their bike and walk through the lights?

Because it's illegal to ride on the road if there's a cycle path next to it.

The Netherlands sounds proper shit for cyclists.

Only if you wanted to do vehicular cycling, which is a very dirty word over there.

Only if you wanted to do vehicular cycling, which is a very dirty word over there.

Not as dirty as it would be in UK.
If UK drivers knew what it meant.

The Netherlands sounds proper shit for cyclists.

No , No it isn't

if there's a sign like this it's compulsory to ride on the cycle path

if there's a sign like this you may also ride on the road

police are doing their job but it would be more constructive if they would work together with the municipality's town/traffic planners/engineers (and cyclists) to create a solution instead of making cyclists pay. showing pics like these at least helps to address the problem

@edscoble unsure about vehicular... do you have an explanatory .gif? ; )

NL used to be leading and innovative in incorporating cycling solutions in town/traffic planning, but not so anymore. nowadays all cities just complain that there's too many bikes in town centres or near railway stations...

plod. worthless the world over.

Yeah, we should do away with them and all just be nicer to each other. I'll start one of those 38 degrees things. Should take 6 months or so....

During LEL'09 and PBP'11 there were sections I got overtaken by a large number of foreign cars/motor-homes (support vehicles for other rides). Got plenty of room from the majority of cars with French and Spanish number plates. Italian number plates about the same as UK plates (50:50 between good and bad). By far the worst (i.e. majority closest verging on dangerous) overtakes were from vehicles with NL number plates. Maybe all that separation means they're not used to encountering cycles on the road and aren't used to passing them safely.

Anecdata of one thobut.

that's shitty. 1.5 meter should really become the law.

but perception of dangerous situations also varies. maybe it's because they are used to ride a bike themselves and used to cyclists on the road and they drive their cars like the average Amsterdam maverick rides his/her bike, thinking 'why take 1.5m when 40cm is enough?'.

??? really?

Tsss been gone fore 12 years and it's going to poo... ;)

At least all my colleagues still come back from Amsterdam with remarks of "Ah nearly killed by a cyclist, I strayed onto the cycle lane by accident".

that's shitty. 1.5 meter should really become the law.

This work beautifully in Spain, and should exist in the UK.

When touring in the Basque Country, I saw a lots of large signpost showing the 1.5 metres space, they're almost as regular as seeing direction sign on every roads.

Not only that, the Spanish also have their own tv commerical demostrating to the drivers (in CGI) how to overtake safety, by slowing down first, move out, overtake, move in then accelerate.

It work, it really does, I have not relaxed this much in ever, the French drivers are pretty bad in comparison after I went over to the other side, every time I got back into Spain, it was bliss, I have not realised how often I look behind to ensure communication until I got into France.

It work in Spain, it most certainly work in the UK, education people, education.

By far the worst (i.e. majority closest verging on dangerous) overtakes were from vehicles with NL number plates.

And Danish too, but that's mainly my fault when I decided to ride on the road in Copenhagen, cue some real dangerous maneuvers from several drivers doing punishment passes due to not expecting I to be on the road when there's a cycle path next to it (it was crowded, I don't wanna queue when there's a perfectly good road next to it), the local bus that jump onto the kerbs to push me onto the cycle path was the last straw.

Stopped 3 time by the Danish police and pled innocence (not really) by being a ruddy foreigner unaware that I should not be on the road, or attempt to ride onto the middle of the road to make a left turn (hence the Copenhagen Left).

Are the lanes mandatory there?

In UK "mandatory lanes" aren't really. Highway Code says you should use one when you can, but not when you deem it unsafe. The one on the way to work is littered with parked cars anyway...

For UK cycle lanes "mandatory" has nothing to do with bikes. It means that motor vehicles cannot enter them. Non-mandatory cycle lanes (they may have a specific name, I can't remember) are delineated with a dashed line and motor vehicles can enter them for turning etc.

chapeau to the bearded bulb on a bike who cut me up approaching farringdon rd/clerkenwell/turnmillls and pulled then into lmnh round 2pm, almost legitimately awarded a right hander

It's quarter to two, now...

Time machine (and magnets).

I've got all the time in the world to grow a beard and get over to lmnh and cut him up.

my bad,was yesterday

rode from lewisham to oval other day, another commuter jumped 3 sets of lights en route and i still beat him, on his last attempt i said "i said jumping's cheatin' ", and i saw a female rider in quite a state of distress complaining she had been run of the road by another rider, riding in the netherlands i did not feel any attitude from other riders, and people smile or talk at traffic lights or junctions