Which Groupset?

Very quick question to help a friend choose between this and this...

Shimano Claris vs SRAM Apex?

Can't offer thoughts on Claris but I did ride a bike with well sorted SRAM apex last night. On the short spin the changes were crisp and fast and the hoods are my preference for shape and comfort. Looks nice and clean too.

However, if he's looking at Apex, why not Shimano 105?

Most important is hood shape and how he gets on with that.

Oh, and disc brakes - when the tech has matured for road bike you'll all be wondering how anyone survived without them. It's not just raw stopping power vs available grip. It is modulation, feel, consistency, heat management etc. etc. Disc is better. There is a caveat though - for someone like myself, who is not in competition or racing for a living. I'm fine with rim brakes for now, until the disc tech gets better.

Cheers
It's just what the bikes come with OTP, he's not up for building things at this point.
Main factor is reliability.

Reliability all depends on maintenance. Maybe, just marginally, Shimano can handle more abuse but I see no reason why either groupset wouldn't work well long term.

I think disc brakes on a road bike are awesome. I just disagree With the Whole they'll get hotter than MTB brakes thing.

Throw yourself down a mountain through a forest, and you wont be pulsing the brakes, to keep Things cool, like you would on the road. You'll braking constantly everytime you think you're going to faceplant a tree.

That's all the time.

Shimano MTB brakes are also the best.

I'm a Hope Tech fanboy.

Been loving my weight weenie mini pros for SS 29er-ing around the gravel trails. But am frankly blown away by twin pot M4s, With 160mm/203mm rotor set-up, on the fat bike. Total overkill I know. But amazing none the less.

Is ribble the best Place for a 6870 gearset?
Any offers on 9070 as a gearset?

I'm sure the posh hopes would be amazing but for the price the shimano brakes are soo nice, the lever shape is spot on and there is loads of power, really tempted to get a zee for my polo bike but the slx/deore I've got on there is already plenty strong enough.

I just disagree With the Whole they'll get hotter than MTB brakes thing.

Sadly, the laws of physics are rarely swayed by personal opinion. If they could, then I'd be able to fly.

The bit I don't get is not that they might get hotter, they may, it's more to do with where and how you ride something. I don't get why some people seem to think that they will constantly be too hot all the time as they roll to the end of their driveway. They seem to have heard that it's possible that they overheat and think that's a reason to avoid them like the plague. People used to overheat MTB brakes more as they were shitter, and even then it was just one or two people on really long, brake heavy descents. The brakes are now a load better at getting rid of heat to the point that it's pretty hard to overdo it unless you set out to on purpose, your disc brakes will almost certainly not overheat.

Why are the laws of physics against me?

Speed?
Tyre traction?

Bastard gravity singles me out, to be slowest on Climbs, and the the other laws want to have a pop on the internet?

...........laws of physics reported for bullying.

I cooked my mini pros. But then who puts a loose slate Cliff at the end of a trail. When I need to get to the football pitch a km or so Down.

Steep Learning day that one.

Well, they are a mega light XC brake from about 5 years ago.

To be honest the pads were worn out, before I made the idiotic descion that going back and around was a faff.

Apex for sure. Claris is 8-speed and low end shimano shifts like a limp noodle. Well sorted Apex honestly is only zero-loss away from first gen Red

hes rite,you go for 8 chances are you'll be kicking your self later,unless its a classic or something

Compressionless Disc Outer recommendations? Has anyone tried the shimano CX77 brakes? I just ordered a pair as they are significantly cheaper than some of the alternatives...

Incidentally for people seeking 10 speed bargains - managed to get most of a 10 105 speed groupset from CRC at around 45% off.

Yes to both. The higher speeds and grip mean you're dumping more energy into the brake disc on a road bike. Unless you have some cunning technology which can convert kinetic energy into something other than heat, that means hotter discs.

Noise?

My 22mm tyres dont have more grip than my 2'55" knobbly tyres :(

Must admitt 40kph offroad feel like 60kph on road. So I get that bit.

Higher speed but less mass, it'll never happen to most people anyway.

This isnt really Worth asking. But incase I'm missing something.......

I'm buying a gearset. Ultegra 6870 Di2 is around £650, Dura ace 9070 Di2 is around £1250. I think the weight difference is 149g (for the gearset, not groupset), the functionality identical, the compatibility identical, and the ergonomics identical.

So for £600 you get a more aspirational logo on the Components, and save £149. Not exactly a bargin.