• Again, look at the stats-it's only the over 65's that blackballed it, and without the offer of Devo Max-which looks like it's being reneged on-it would have been more conclusive.

    I don't think anyone has said No voters didn't make an independent decision, but you can't separate out the promises and lies that were used to get people to vote that way; I know several people who were canvassing for yes and went to door after door to be told by an incredulous pensioner that they'd already voted No by post because they thought their pension would be stopped, so it's not baseless deflections or accusations.

  • but you can't separate out the promises and lies that were used to get people to vote that way

    Not that I particularly disagree with you, but there were a lot of promises made by the Yes side that were far from fleshed out either?

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