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Ed I don't wAnt any panniers. I want a rack with a bag on the top on the front and then a saddle bag or rack with bag on top. I want nothing off the sides! It's a ball ache.
I'm thinking the same, however if you really want an aerodynamic advantage, you know the solution; carbon road disc + bikepacking, I cannot emphasised on how much a difference it made when I went touring on a fixed, even though I enjoyed my tour through the Pyrenees, it made me realised that there's only two kind of touring, fully loaded, and bikepacking.
My rack and panniers set-up is best when taking it easy, riding with others, etc. but the Pyrenees tour I did was best suited for bikepacking, this way I can able to keep up with the other on the ascent as well as the descent.
I'm actually going to go for the Saracen Avro, and upgrade the brakes to full hydro for a proper ultralight touring, external BB and thru-axle is a absolute necessity too.
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Ed I don't wAnt any panniers. I want a rack with a bag on the top on the front and then a saddle bag or rack with bag on top. I want nothing off the sides! It's a ball ache.
@spotter I added it using one of those metal things, works fine, had to find the right cage to clear the chainset and then move the brake cable around the cage but works with a litre bottle no issue. Really good as with 3 litre I can ride for like 4-5h without stopping or just top one up when I see a water fountain in village. And if I don't need it the just leave it empty and 1 less kg. you can fit a 2litre bottle of water just, but it's a bit tight and the weak plastic flexes and rubs so a solid bottle is best.
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