• I just read some of the Wee Blue Book. Oh dear.

    Threats that Scotland will be ejected (even temporarily) from the EU are hollow, impossible to ever put into practice.
    Page 3

    This is explicitly refuted within the book itself

    Anyone, on either side of the debate, claiming to know as a matter of certainty what would happen to an independent Scotland’s EU membership status is a liar
    Page 48

    If no-one knows what will happen, surely the possibility of Scotland failing to gain membership is not a hollow threat?

    I salute the Wee Blue Book as an effective partisan argument pitched at a register that will be compelling to some. But to accept its assertions as facts would be extremely dangerous.

  • I just read some of the Wee Blue Book. Oh dear.

    Threats that Scotland will be ejected (even temporarily) from the EU are hollow, impossible to ever put into practice.
    Page 3
    

    This is explicitly refuted within the book itself

    Anyone, on either side of the debate, claiming to know as a matter of certainty what would happen to an independent Scotland’s EU membership status is a liar
    Page 48
    

    If no-one knows what will happen, surely the possibility of Scotland failing to gain membership is not a hollow threat?

    I salute the Wee Blue Book as an effective partisan argument pitched at a register that will be compelling to some. But to accept its assertions as facts would be extremely dangerous.

    Oh dear indeed. The section you refer to in page 3 (a very brief 5 point summary of the case for independence)

    People are sensible. At the moment, the No campaign
    has a vested interest in making things sound like they’d
    be as difficult as possible for an independent Scotland. But
    the day after a Yes vote, the opposite instantly becomes
    true - it’s then in everyone’s interest to sort everything out
    as quickly and cleanly as possible.
    If you accept that the EU would want Scotland as a member

    • and it would - then nobody gains from making that
      process slow and complicated and awkward.
      If you accept that the rUK and an independent Scotland
      would still be major trading partners and allies - which
      they would - then nobody gains from a hostile, drawn-out
      negotiation process.

    What you site, from page 48, is a preface to a fullsome, quite grounded discussion of why Scotland would be allowed in the EU, and why they make that assumption, despite, as they recognise and you so usefully highlight, that there is no absolute certainty. You seem to be cherry picking some parts to suit your claim that this is 'pitched at a register' when it goes out its way to be even and measured in its appraisal. They themselves do not ask you to accept their assertions as 'facts' but to weigh up the likelihood:

    i) The EU

    Anyone, on either side of the debate, claiming to know as a
    matter of certainty what would happen to an independent
    Scotland’s EU membership status is a liar. Nobody knows
    for sure
    whether an independent Scotland would be
    admitted directly, because although the EU has offered to
    answer that question, it will only do so if asked by the UK
    government, and the UK government refuses to ask.
    “The UK government has said it would not ask
    the European Commission’s view on whether an
    independent Scotland would remain a member of
    the EU.
    The statement follows confirmation from the
    commission that it would offer its opinion if asked
    to by a member state.”
    [99
    ]
    It’s very difficult to imagine why the UK government
    would refuse to ask that question if it was confident that
    its position (namely that Scotland’s membership would be
    delayed for years) was correct.
    What is certain is that no serious politician, commentator
    or EU bureaucrat has ever suggested that the EU - an
    expansionist organisation - wouldn’t want resource-rich
    Scotland as a member state. So the only real debate is
    on how Scotland would go from being part of a member
    state to being a member state in its own right, and if you
    accept the premise
    that the EU wants Scotland in, then it’s
    clearly in everyone’s interests to sort that out as quickly and
    smoothly as possible.
    For that reason, most impartial experts, and even honest
    Unionists, expect
    the process to be made very quick and
    easy - not as a special favour to Scotland but because it’s
    the common-sense plan, and also because the alternative
    would be to cast the entire continent into unimaginable,
    unprecedented and completely needless chaos from which
    absolutely no-one would benefit.
    Scotland is currently in the EU (as part of the UK), which
    means that hundreds of thousands of Scots live abroad,
    and hundreds of thousands of EU citizens live in Scotland.
    Were Scotland to be ejected even temporarily, millions of
    people - including Scots living in England and vice versa -
    could lose their rights of residence overnight and have to
    be thrown out of their respective countries.
    No mechanism exists within the EU for ejecting existing
    citizens against their will. The administrative mayhem
    would last for decades, which is why the pro-Union MP Eric
    Joyce
    dismissed
    the idea in February
    this year as:
    “Manifest nonsense. I want Scotland to remain
    part of the UK, but not on the basis of an argument
    deploying blatant threats and lies.”
    [100
    ]
    Graham Avery, the Honorary Director-General of the
    European Commission and senior policy adviser at the
    European Policy Centre in Brussels with four decades
    of
    experience in negotiating EU enlargement (including the
    UK’s own entry), told the UK Parliament in 2012 that:
    “From the political point of view, Scotland has been
    in the EU for 40 years; and its people have acquired
    rights as European citizens. If they wish to remain
    in the EU, they could hardly be asked to leave and
    then reapply for membership in the same way as the
    people of a non-member country such as Turkey.
    The point can be illustrated by considering another
    example: if a break-up of Belgium were agreed
    between Wallonia and Flanders, it is inconceivable
    that other EU members would require 11 million
    people to leave the EU and then reapply for
    membership.”
    [101
    ]
    In 2014 he also told Holyrood’s European committee:
    “A situation where Scotland was outside the
    European Union and not applying European rules
    would be a legal nightmare for the people in the rest
    The Wee Blue Book
    50
    51

    1. Europe and the world: (i) The EU
      of the United Kingdom and the British Government
      has to take account of that.
      I think it would be very, very unfortunate for the
      rest of the United Kingdom if Scotland was not a
      member from day one of independence.”
      [102
      ]
      In February 2013 Lord Mark Malloch-Brown,
      former Deputy
      Secretary-General of the UN and
      a Foreign Office minister
      in the last UK Labour government, told the BBC that:
      “Whatever the legal formalities, in terms of
      the political will if Scotland were to vote for
      independence, I think
      Europe would try to smooth
      its way into taking its place as a European
      member.”
      [103
      ]
      In July 2014, Sionaidh Douglas-Scott,
      professor of European
      law and human rights at Oxford University and author of a
      book on EU constitutional law, agreed:
      “Despite assertions to the contrary from UK
      lawyers, EU lawyers and EU officials, any future
      independent Scotland’s EU membership should be
      assured, and its transition from EU membership
      as a part of the UK to EU membership as an
      independent Scotland relatively smooth and
      straightforward.”
      [104
      ]
      And the same month, European Commission president
      Jean-Claude Juncker was reported as saying Scotland
      would be treated as a

      special and separate case
      ”, rather
      than a new applicant
      [105
      ]
      .
      Scotland currently has no seat at the table in the European
      Union or the United Nations. Its interests are represented
      by the UK, and the UK’s duty is always to look after the
      greatest number of its own people.
      With just 8.4% of the UK population, any time that
      Scotland’s interests conflict with the rest of the UK’s, the UK
      government must always put Scotland’s interests second to
      those of the majority
      of the UK.
      “Secret papers, released today, have revealed how
      the Scottish fishing fleet was betrayed by the
      government 30 years ago to enable Britain to sign
      up to the controversial Common Fisheries Policy.
      Prime Minister Edward Heath’s officials estimated
      that up to half the fishermen in Scottish waters
    2. then 4,000 men - could lose their jobs, but the
      decision was taken to go ahead with plans to sign
      up because it was believed that the benefits to
      English and Welsh fishermen would outweigh the
      disadvantages in Scotland.”
      [106
      ]
      The UK government continues to behave in the same way
      today. In November 2013 it decided, against the views of
      ALL parties in Holyrood, to distribute £182 million in extra
      EU funding to farmers across the whole UK, although it arose
      solely and specifically
      from the low level of Scottish subsidies
      and should have all gone to Scottish farmers.


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