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Black Cab drivers go through a pretty serious set of tests, checks and balances to get their licences. It's a Government regulated industry, and information about drivers is honestly presented within the cab.
True, but the relevant authorities constantly show themselves to be utterly spineless/conflicted in dealing with reports of properly shit driving from Black Cab drivers.
^ Well that escalated quickly.
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I don't want to be defending cabbies, by any stretch of the imagination, I'm just counselling caution against Uber.
FWIW, I have a couple of mates who are cabbies. They're both very nice, respectful drivers. One used to be a bike messenger. It's just a pity that human wounds like @TaxiWarrior are the most vocal, and worst, of the bunch.
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You guys might want to check the highway code. You've called @TaxiWarrior out on jumping a red a red but they dont. They go through an amber. The red ahead is for stopping at line well passed (see the yellow box?).
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Fight me IRL.
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http://fat.gfycat.com/DamagedUncomfortableHyrax.gif
^ this is an amber (arguably) too late to stop for.
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-11-2014/iQzlSc.gif
^ ...and this red is for that first junction. He/she is in the yellow box here.
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is @TaxiWarrior an estate agent?
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Bear in mind this is just on the gif, not the whole youtube vid. He approaches a yellow box that he doesn't have a clear exit from whilst the light is on yellow. If he was an experienced and professional driver he would have anticitpated a potential change of the lights and approached the stop line with the ability to stop if needed. He then goes on to harass the driver in front with illegal use of high beams in order to get through the yellow box quicker.
Yellow box rules apply in this instance and constitute jumping a red light.
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Are you saying that if you did that in a driving test you wouldn'd get failed?!
Wrong. You would, every time.
When the lights are changing you should stop, especially if, like our vocal friend here, you won't make it through the junction before the light turns to red.
He clearly had time to stop, but decides to race through on the turn.
Your interpretation of the second light is wrong too, it's clearly for the ahead only lane that the taxi is in, and it's changed to red before he's even halfway through the junction.
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You're both wrong. The junction light timings take into acount the size of the box. Yes the driver is in the lane (which the red appies to) but carrying on through an amber is legit if it's not safe to stop. If the driver looked in his rear view and decided it wasn't safe to brake hard (impossible for us to know) then I think that is not even a minor in a test.
Hopefully there is an instructor on hear who'll know for sure.
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Amber means stop if it's safe. It doesn't mean speed up while flashing your headlights like a demented piss weasel. Calling other road users "pricks" when they haven't done anything wrong isn't the action of a considerate driver either. Jesus said, I think correctly, "Don't upload footage of perceived misdemeanours on London's roads when you drive like a bellend". Uncomfortable Hyrax:12:24.
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Where is @TaxiWarrior ?
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*wants more pot stirring
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"Amber means stop if it's safe" is a bit passive. The actual highway code wording is:-
If the amber light appears you may go on only if you have already crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to stop might cause a collision.
IMO there's clearly enough time for him to have stopped. He was too busy getting irate with the driver in front to be paying attention.
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Are we talking about the incident at 2:14?
He approaches a yellow box that he doesn't have a clear exit from whilst the light is on yellow.
What have the lights got to do with the box junction? They only apply to the stop line.
What do you mean no clear exit? It's visibly clear up ahead.
From the Highway Code Rule 174:-
Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road (see ‘Road markings’). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping.
No mention of restrictions based on lights. His exit is visibly clear and he is not forced to stop.
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@greenbank my interpretation was that with the lights on yellow and a car already ahead of him in the box, his exit then can't be construed as clear as he can't guarantee exit before priority is given to opposing traffic. The condition of the lights may not be mentioned but I think still relevant as yellow boxes only occur at signalled junctions right? The mention of yellow boxes on a roundabout is a red hering because there is no right turn that you are allowed to stop for and therefore you must clear it in one move.
You could argue that at the point of the light turning yellow he may have looked in his rear view mirror and perceived it unsafe to stop. However I argue that on the approach to a yellow box junction an experienced and professional driver would have begun his junction planning much further back and had time to stop.
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you mean #rep shirley
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@greenbank my interpretation was that with the lights on yellow and a car already ahead of him in the box, his exit then can't be construed as clear as he can't guarantee exit before priority is given to opposing traffic.
The exit road the other side of the box junction is clear. You don't have to go through box junctions one at a time just in case the vehicle in front decides to stop for no reason (despite the road ahead being clear).
I don't see what creates the need to guarantee exiting the box junction by the time the lights change green for another direction. The highway code simply requires him to avoid the situation where he's guaranteed not to clear the box junction (because the exit lane is not clear). That's not the same as guaranteeing that he will clear the box junction.
The mention of yellow boxes on a roundabout is a red hering
The mention of yellow boxes on a roundabout is simply because I quoted the full text of HWC Rule 174.
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The law is quite clear on it and in a test it is treated the same as not stopping for a red:
Legislation
The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 deal with light signals for traffic and pedestrians.
Regulation 36 – significance of light signalsRegulation 36(1)(c) states that the amber-with-red signal shall not alter the prohibition conveyed by the red signal.
Regulation 36(1)(e) states that the amber-alone signal shall convey the same prohibition as the red signal, namely that vehicular traffic (other than tramcars) shall not proceed beyond the stop line, except that, as respects any vehicle (other than a tramcar) which is so close to the stop line that it cannot safely be stopped without proceeding beyond the stop line. In such circumstances, it shall convey the same indication as the green signal which was shown immediately before it.
Regulation 36(1)(a) states that the red signal shall convey the prohibition that vehicular traffic shall not proceed beyond the stop line.
Regulation 43(1) defines the term “stop line” in relation to light signals as the road marking placed on a carriageway in conjunction with those signals.
OffenceNon-compliance with Regulation 36 naturally constitutes an offence contrary to s.36 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (Drivers to comply with traffic signals).
In addition, the prohibition on passing over the stop line applies to any part of the vehicle when the red light is showing; if the front of the vehicle has already crossed that line when the light goes red, it is an offence under s.36 for it to proceed further.
PenaltiesAll offences under s.36 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 will involve a notice of intended prosecution. Once this has been returned the following penalties are available:
3 penalty points; and a £60 fixed fine, but if the matter proceeded to court the maximum fine is £1,000.
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He'll probably post a vid titled 'CYCLISTS DON'T HIT AND RUN' containing images of himself doing a hit and run whilst wanking off over kiddy pron on his phone... lols