• Presumably relations with England are going to fall under the remit of foreign policy, and the founding act of that foreign policy will be to tell England, Wales and Northern Ireland "fuck off, we're going to cosy up to our far northern neighbours instead." That's pretty parochial.

    Your assumptions display your prejudice quite clearly.

  • Your assumptions display your prejudice quite clearly.

    Becoming a separate state from England is going to mean England is a foreign country, just as the Republic of Ireland is now. Therefore policies towards England will cease to be domestic and become foreign. That's not an assumption, it's an inevitable fact of international law.

    Leaving the union is tantamount to telling the other members of it to fuck off. That's not an assumption, more a logical conclusion, and it would be parochial. Cosying up to Scandinavia is Ali's assumption, not mine.

    Your assumption that I am a typical pro-union Englishman displays your prejudice though, and then some. I'd actually vote yes to independence if I was allowed a vote. Sadly my grandmother moved to England before I was born. Sorry about that accident of birth.

  • Leaving the union is tantamount to telling the other members of it to fuck off. That's not an assumption, more a logical conclusion, and it would be parochial.

    Really? Have you been watching the debates? If you're going to perceive a desire for self determination that way then there's little I can say to you, but it's not something I've heard from the SNP, in fact, quite the contrary.

    Cosying up to Scandinavia is Ali's assumption, not mine.

    Is establishing good diplomatic relations with other Independent countries of a similar size and close geographical proximity not common sense? Why is that parochial? Scotland has had very good relations with Norway and Sweden for centuries, with trading routes and our earlier industrialisation meaning investors assisting in theirs. The Universities, hospitals and social housing in Gothenburg were in large part set up and funded by Scots philanthropists who had settled there, for example. Indeed, if there is any nation that you could argue has always had a very international outlook it is Scotland. Or is it only 'not parochial' to be the USA's stooge and invade Middle Eastern countries on falsified intelligence? The SNP have intimated a desire to be in the EU, to join NATO-me might not have a permanent seat on the UN security council but fuck, why would we want it?

    Your assumption that I am a typical pro-union Englishman displays your prejudice though, and then some. I'd actually vote yes to independence if I was allowed a vote. Sadly my grandmother moved to England before I was born. Sorry about that accident of birth.

    I'm just quoting your own words, I don't see any assumptions being made on my part. It's hilarious reading comments boards and seeing this pervasive, strangely twisted logic from the English that not wanting to be part of the UK is somehow a personal affront, and everything about your remarks suggests a knee-jerk emotional response that is founded on this bias, such as saying that because 'New Labour' was fronted by two Scots, this somehow means Independence will be no different. It makes it hard to take you seriously to be honest.

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