Epic fail

Are you saying I could have avoided stubbing my toe?

Fuck you. You don't know me. That toe was asking for it.

Which is why RTA (road traffic accident) has been superceded by RTC (road traffic collision)

I don't believe in punishment for it's own sake. I think action to prevent future occurance should take priority over action to punish.

Used judiciously, the threat of punishment is a deterrent. I would agree that there is something a bit unnerving about a clamour for punitive incarceration, it smacks of mob justice, but you do have to take into account the feelings and wishes of the victims. The sentence handed down also effects their ability to come to terms with what happened and to move on from it.

indeed, and it's an important distinction - 'accident' implies there is no one to blame and it just 'happened' - doesn't stop nearly every wireless traffic report in london from using it mind you.

indeed, and it's an important distinction - 'accident' implies there is no one to blame and it just 'happened' - doesn't stop nearly every wireless traffic report in london from using it mind you.

Rubbish. I've never seen a definition of accident which implies no one is at fault.

If I knock a glass of water over my keyboard there's no one to blame but me. It's an accident unless I did it deliberately.

within the context of an RTC, it's an important distinction.

carry on.

Why does there have to be a distinction in the case of an RTC? It's not the first time I've read this on the forum, but it still makes no sense.

In this case the motorist (as far as I'm aware) didn't run the victim over deliberately. It was, by definition, an accident. This does not imply it wasn't the driver's fault.

Because when you're in control of something as potentially deadly as a motor car, not being completely in control represents negligence not accident.

Negligence causes accidents.

What do you think it sounds like?

I accept that what it sounds like to me and what actually happened may be vastly different. It sounds like the driver was negligent, wasn't fully in control of his vehicle and wasn't aware of his surroundings. That is not an accident. That it wasn't wilful or pre meditated does not absolve the driver of responsibility for doing or not doing something that resulted in the loss of life.

Used judiciously, the threat of punishment is a deterrent. I would agree that there is something a bit unnerving about a clamour for punitive incarceration, it smacks of mob justice, but you do have to take into account the feelings and wishes of the victims. The sentence handed down also effects their ability to come to terms with what happened and to move on from it.

i think we're on the same page. there's punishment as a deterrent and punishment for punishment's sake. i think the legal system sits some where between the two.
completely unnerving. it's human nature to want to blame someone or something all the time.
i've never put proper thought into considering that victims would want punishment, interesting point. always try and look at these things from an utilitarian perspective.

I accept that what it sounds like to me and what actually happened may be vastly different. It sounds like the driver was negligent, wasn't fully in control of his vehicle and wasn't aware of his surroundings. That is not an accident. That it wasn't wilful or pre meditated does not absolve the driver of responsibility for doing or not doing something that resulted in the loss of life.

i agree that it sounds like the driver was negligent, and if so is criminally responsible. however, i don't believe that means an outcome cannot be accidental.
if i drive a car on two pints, swerve to avoid a child, smash up a bus stop, i am criminally responsible. yet clearly the outcome was an accident.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/justin-bieber-compares-treatment-of-paparazzi-after-car-accident-to-the-death-of-princess-diana-9692930.html

I can think of no better punishment than death for this reckless young cretin.

4 eva in ar chartz

"He claims he was forced to slam on the breaks and perform and emergency stop in his Ferrari"

Oh dear.

http://spoiledswan.com/di2.htm

Still poignant today.
But needs moar biebre

i don't know, that doesn't feel right to me for some reason. i think the lesson is not to react instantly and label the parents idiots, just let people get on and do what they want to do. tragedy for the girl and her parents.

Um... not too sure if you're being tongue in cheek or not?

Just letting people get on and do what they want has resulted in a 9 year old who will likely be mentally scarred for life and a family who are now minus a son/brother/father/etc. I have no qualms about calling the parents idiots. If I was talking to some of my friends who have 9 year old children...

"What you up to tomorrow?"
"Probably taking Gina out to feed the ducks"
"Oh nice"
"Yeah then maybe a bike ride up to the park"
"Supposed to be a nice day for it"
"Yeah, after that we might take her for a go on a fully automatic gun"

I would without prejudice call them out as fucking idiots and probably re-evaluate my friendship with them

The only innocent party in the whole affair is the kid and imo she's suffered the worst consequence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSJoD3YQenE

Ted Baker cycling clothing

^^ Is that produced by Skrtluv?

that video is pretty good. i lol'd.

win >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://road.cc/content/news/128843-six-riders-hospitalised-after-mistaking-detergent-energy-drink

Hah!

cant even see the title just the title in the link, such douches

No, they drank it.