We shouldnt take the frame back from the Twitter guy. He's entirely innocent - unless there's some other narrative out there that can explain all this. He's positively reclaimed something that was dumped, put some time, effort, and money into it, and was excited about putting together a new bike for himself. I feel it would be a bit unfair on him, he's volunteered information to us and it's not his fault that he's worked on a frame that wasnt supposed to be in that skip. Yes the frame is lost to LPC but we can't win them all, one of our "community" seems to have disregarded the time and effort that we put into making this bike available to him and others.
I'd call Johannes first before sending an email. An email is too easy to ignore - if you have his number, dial him up and ask him about the bike. I wouldnt even mention anything about the frame being found, initially - just let him speak and see what he has to say. It's possible he's innocent too, but I can't really think of a scenario where the frame ends up dumped without his knowledge, he seems like he has lied about it to Ioanna when he met her face to face. But lets give the guy a chance to make his case to us before we go any further.
Lets leave the old Bill out of this - it's nothing to do with him, even though they work together. Unless of course he wants to be involved.
If the frame has been dumped, I'm not particularly shocked or surprised... disappointed yes, but not surprised. I had numerous people telling me that "Oh Angus is a really nice guy", when my repeated attempts to contact the dickhead to get Wicksie's loaner back were ignored, which eventually necessitated going around to his squat and hammering on the door to wrestle it back. Johannes had already burnt his bridges somewhat, right? So he wasnt playing anymore after that, and probably thought nobody would ever come looking for that bike again, and didnt particularly care about contacting someone in LPC to give it back, if at the time he needed to make space he probably just dumped it.
I'd like to see him pay some money back for it, or get a replacement loaner with a suitably decent frame, but if he tells us to fuck off I am unsure about how we can make progress on it.
OK some thoughts / opinions on this,
We shouldnt take the frame back from the Twitter guy. He's entirely innocent - unless there's some other narrative out there that can explain all this. He's positively reclaimed something that was dumped, put some time, effort, and money into it, and was excited about putting together a new bike for himself. I feel it would be a bit unfair on him, he's volunteered information to us and it's not his fault that he's worked on a frame that wasnt supposed to be in that skip. Yes the frame is lost to LPC but we can't win them all, one of our "community" seems to have disregarded the time and effort that we put into making this bike available to him and others.
I'd call Johannes first before sending an email. An email is too easy to ignore - if you have his number, dial him up and ask him about the bike. I wouldnt even mention anything about the frame being found, initially - just let him speak and see what he has to say. It's possible he's innocent too, but I can't really think of a scenario where the frame ends up dumped without his knowledge, he seems like he has lied about it to Ioanna when he met her face to face. But lets give the guy a chance to make his case to us before we go any further.
Lets leave the old Bill out of this - it's nothing to do with him, even though they work together. Unless of course he wants to be involved.
If the frame has been dumped, I'm not particularly shocked or surprised... disappointed yes, but not surprised. I had numerous people telling me that "Oh Angus is a really nice guy", when my repeated attempts to contact the dickhead to get Wicksie's loaner back were ignored, which eventually necessitated going around to his squat and hammering on the door to wrestle it back. Johannes had already burnt his bridges somewhat, right? So he wasnt playing anymore after that, and probably thought nobody would ever come looking for that bike again, and didnt particularly care about contacting someone in LPC to give it back, if at the time he needed to make space he probably just dumped it.
I'd like to see him pay some money back for it, or get a replacement loaner with a suitably decent frame, but if he tells us to fuck off I am unsure about how we can make progress on it.