Hoke's L96

All Keirin frames? You mean all NJS frames. A sport that is limited by its rules and regulations. If you ever watch the Womens Keirin in Japan you'll see they ditch all the NJS stuff in favour of Carbon and Discs, like the rest of the Track Cycling world has.

I think all the pseudo science and engineering was resolved right? Canyon design flaw. For sure. They had better refund at this point. As much as I like the bmc from a look perspective, I'm not sure that's a rational choice for robustness.
Good luck with whatever the replacement is!

One does not simply.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Avanti-Pista-Team-Evo-II-Olympic-carbon-track-frame-Zero-pursuit-bars-/291221093650?pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Fragrances_Women_s_Fragrances_PP&hash=item43ce213d12

roboto, i just wanted to say that the keirin ss class-men have much more power in their legs as hoke so steel should be sufficient (whatever he is lusting for)

Best best thread in a long time

There are people winning masters titles on steel, never mind competing in the As at Herne Hill, so I think it comes down to personal preference rather than what the performance limits might be.

Yes, I'm sure they do have more power. But, I'm sure if they were given the choice, they would opt for a more modern frame. Ho isn't restricted by the same rules as these guys (I don't think).

You guys are right. Just want to see more custom LFGSS steel hehe.

True, but you cant deny that they'd be faster on a modern carbon frame. Why limit yourself?

This is it though, ho isn't buying a track racing bike, he's buying a track frame that will be ridden on the road as well, locked up, take to beers etc.

He's already cracked a Fuji and about 20 canyons, so why not give top end steel a try? At least it could be repaired if he manages to break it.

I'm really not sure how much benefit one of those carbon race frames would have over an oversize aero steel frame, especially being raced on both outdoor and indoor tracks? And the steel would be hella rad.

It'll all end in tears either way

I spoke to him and he thinks he's too hipster for steel, a shame really.

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I'm assuming by that url @Sumo are buying some perfume for @HoKe?

This:

There are people winning masters titles on steel, never mind competing in the As at Herne Hill, so I think it comes down to personal preference rather than what the performance limits might be.

and this:

This is it though, ho isn't buying a track racing bike, he's buying a track frame that will be ridden on the road as well, locked up, take to beers etc.

If it's something you're going to keep commuting on, Ho, steel is the most sensible option. If you're at a level where you think the performance advantage of carbon is going to make that little bit of difference, the chances are someone's going to be giving you free bikes anyway.

I think everyone is missing the obvious answer. Bamboo.

2800£ frame locked up, taken to beers etc

giant posted was nice

2800£ frame locked up, taken to beers etc

Well yeah, the blindingly obvious sensible answer is clearly to get a beater/commuter and a track bike. I'm not sure sensible is in the vocabulary of someone who commutes from far far East London on a brakeless track bike with a history of cracking, and sometimes a track gearing to match.

Where has he said this? I might've missed it. I was under the impression he has his roadie for commuting and stuff now, judging by how soft his legs were at the forum track day...

Ho? What do you really want?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjuGSig4o_o

another road bike

https://vine.co/v/MliYgetXXaK

Ho? What do you really want?

Probably to buy a really fancy bike without everyone telling him what to buy :)

#rep I wish it existed. I laugh, but quietly at my desk.

Cracks. Not tears. Unless he's buying a paper bike next?