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  • It's a version of the Emperor's new clothes to point at everything and say, "Conspiracy, innit." and think, "I'm smarter than everyone else because I can see it's a conspiracy and they can't."

    Well said. By which I mean, well said.

    But on your last point, are you saying you want such a confrontation to happen? I think it would be a very bad idea to start naming the families of those involved. You'll get mosques being attacked by EDL etc, like we did after Rigby's murder.

  • I know.

    Speaking franky I'm miserable conceding that "the terrorists have won" and they've made me more right-wing than I used to be.

    I agree that the rise of the EDL is a likely consequence, and I don't want that at all.

    It's just (and this is not rascist - it's the same for all colours and creeds) we seem to be constantly picking up the pieces after the actions of stupid young men without the wherewithall to succeed in normal society who have to result to some bullshit - be that religion/football/nationalism- to blame for their failing instead of their feckless lazy fuctardery - and I think their parents need to bear some of the responsibility.

  • Surely the dichotomy here is between liberalism versus totalitarianism rather than, say, capitalism versus totalitarianism?

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