• It's the stereotypes that are used in the collective blaming that define the collectives that should be responsible. Everyone has individual responsibilities (and, in many cases, legal duties) but it's the lumping together by man that makes that into a collective responsibility.

    As someone that cycles, then, what are my responsibilities towards you - another person that cycles?

    I mean, I will enrage some drivers just by existing on a bicycle. By being a part of the gestalt urban peloton, I am causing some poor schmuck to be bipped and driven at.

    And if I take primary, then woe fucking betide thebpoor sod later in the day that gets driven to the curb because they should be taught a lesson.

    Whom do I pay compensation to? I should probably sell my bike for funds and hang up my Sidis.

  • As someone that cycles, then, what are my responsibilities towards you - another person that cycles?

    Me personally? Don't endanger me if we ever meet on the road. That's about it to me personally.

    I mean, I will enrage some drivers just by existing on a bicycle. By being a part of the gestalt urban peloton, I am causing some poor schmuck to be bipped and driven at.

    That's not part of your repsonsibility. It's their responsibility not to get wound up by others for doing what they (the others) are legitimately allowed to do. Driver should consider Highway Code Rule 147.

    And if I take primary, then woe fucking betide thebpoor sod later in the day that gets driven to the curb because they should be taught a lesson.

    Nope. Again, you don't have to guess how others will overreact to you doing something perfectly legit. Put the straw man away.

  • That's about it to me personally.

    But we're talking about collective responsibility. Surely I have more than just a direct responsibility to directly increase any risks to you. My running a red light, slapping a car, punching a pedestrian or shitting on a car bonnet all have consequences, with the next driver using my actions as justification for their later actions. That's what's being proposed upthread, no?

    That's not part of your repsonsibility. It's their responsibility not to get wound up by others for doing what they (the others) are legitimately allowed to do. Driver should consider Highway Code Rule 147.

    Legit in who's eyes? The cyclist? The driver's? The law's? A slap on the bonnet, for example, is entirely lawful and legit, per rulings in the High Court.

    Drivers should surely be considerate to other road users at all time, no? Or does witnessing a cyclist jump a red light obviate the need to be considerate later on in the day?

    Put the straw man away.

    Where's the straw man? Substitute RLJ / bonnet slap for ride in primary / exist as a cyclist, and the point remains the same.

    Nope. Again, you don't have to guess how others will overreact to you doing something perfectly legit.

    Apparently you do though. Because responsibility it conferred by those doing the blaming.

    As someone once said:

    It's the stereotypes that are used in the collective blaming that define the collectives that should be responsible

    So let's define what this collective cyclist responsibility is then. As a responsible and considerate cyclist, I need to know.

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